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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:289857 Archived-At: [=E0=AE=9A=E0=AF=86=E0=AE=B5=E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=BE=E0=AE=AF=E0=AF=8D = =E0=AE=AE=E0=AF=87 17, 2022] Timothy wrote: Hello Timothy, > Hello,=20 > > I=E2=80=99ve recently been chatting with Adrien Brochard (who ran the 202= 0 Emacs survey), and I=E2=80=99m pushing for a 2022 Emacs > survey.=20 > > Even with detailed telemetry (urgh) it can be hard to understand the rang= e of experiences and opinions users have. As such, > particularly once we have past surveys to reference and some consistent q= uestions, I see quite a bit of value in helping:=20 > > 1 Emacs developers, > 2 Emacs package developers/maintainers, > 3 The Emacs community itself > > better understand the Emacs community.=20 > > Of course, this being a fiercely FOSS community, the situation with surve= y platforms leaves quite a bit to be desired. To resolve > this issue, I spent some time last year writing a 100% FOSS, survey frame= work which is completely functional without any JS. > I have attached some screenshots of it to this email.=20 > > It would be good to maximise the utility of the survey to the three group= s mentioned earlier. In this vein I hope some of you, > emacs-devel, would be willing to provide some feedback on the survey :)=20 > > Attached you may find the current draft survey questions, both as survey-= questions.org file and the configuration file used by > my survey framework, survey.jl. If you=E2=80=99d like, you can even try r= unning the survey locally.=20 > > Lastly, if any of you would like to chat about this over IRC you can find= me as =E2=80=9Ctecosaur=E2=80=9D on libera.chat, and > @tecosaur:matrix.org over on Matrix.=20 > > All the best, > Timothy=20 I just have a few comments on the questions, Maybe we should have a "none" option in "** Which languages do you program (in Emacs) in? :MultiSelect:Mandatory:"? I don't really use Emacs to program except in Elisp and an occasional shell script or two. I suspect there might be people who exclusively use it for non-programming purposes. A nit: in "** Do you use a terminal emulator in Emacs? :MultiSelect:Mandatory:", you have shell and eshell as options but they aren't terminal emulators are they? "** Do you use a spell checker in Emacs? :RadioSelect:Mandatory:": I think you should add ispell (M-$) to the list as well. "** Do you use any selection packages? :MultiSelect:Mandatory:": Marginalia is not a selection package, I think the same goes for consult? Perhaps, users of those packages can comment on this.