From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Spaces rather than tabs by a major mode hook Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:18:41 +0200 Message-ID: <87zgihkrwe.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <83leu3y0hs.fsf@gnu.org> <83h74rxze0.fsf@gnu.org> <83bkuzxvur.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25200"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:sxaXtwq6dr78nA5hJ13hLdWWF7M= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 13 08:37:31 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o0dha-0006MI-VX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:37:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39038 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o0dhZ-0005v7-EE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 02:37:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35634) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o0dPX-00016f-Gi for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 02:18:51 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:46370) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o0dPV-0005at-Ot for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 02:18:51 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o0dPT-0003wu-V4 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2022 08:18:47 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137770 Archived-At: Jean Louis wrote: >> Disabling automatic indentation completely must be a single >> command operation, with Emacs tracking what electric >> indentation functionality is enabled automatically, and >> disable them without putting such burdens on the user. >> Emacs has ended up with an artificial intelligence machine >> that takes control away from the human being, if our >> intelligence cannot figure out a quick and direct way to >> turn off its plug. > > I guess it is rather helpful to many users. But that is just > a guess. For sure I personally prefer many automatic > indentations, and that is one of main reasons why I prefer > Emacs as editor. > > For example, I like that I simply press RET and get in the > next line of this paragraph. It helps me many times when > formatting list items. The way I like it. > > There are many options in Emacs, and to find the one with > indentation is really difficult. I do not think that you > would easily find it out without asking on mailing list. > > That option to turn it off exists, that means you are still > in charge. > > And after using Emacs a lot, when I get into other editor, > I feel the same, those editors are taking control over my > habits or lack of habits. All those are subjective > perceptions, in other words, illusions. This thread, difficult to understand to begin with, has now turned completely incomprehensible. Why don't we ask the river where its water runs dry? -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal