From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Akib Azmain Turja Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs packages, GitHub and software freedom Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2022 21:22:50 +0600 Message-ID: <87zghm2rlh.fsf@disroot.org> References: <875yka4b91.fsf@disroot.org> <87y1x62vic.fsf@rabkins.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24566"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Yoni Rabkin Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 06 17:27:37 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o96wC-0006Ao-LA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2022 17:27:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50834 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o96wB-00023W-1K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2022 11:27:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58332) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o96vI-000153-NY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2022 11:26:40 -0400 Original-Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([178.21.23.139]:57006) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o96vG-0007cL-Ew for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2022 11:26:40 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F2344ED6; Wed, 6 Jul 2022 17:26:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: SPAM Filter at disroot.org Original-Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (disroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with UTF8SMTP id wpeAm23LjwUT; Wed, 6 Jul 2022 17:26:35 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1657121008; bh=/RYucuoM2LuxN6TIkII1JSMDSQGjnYIO8GouvmpEN40=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=cNAnv8qVimr2h+eknZ3pzKZ2ESelcdHQyyx0EoedkpJsdu4SoIn1zWk+3khPp3nPY DNq/VuK1fa/CMoO4AB05/w2s/RVWMnJyc4fglPbjODrHtVjtW4tpXN2gdZJh5zhKLR wKpMRWyY4j0Gh6RE2aeaXM501E9zfK7SuoR8KHYnCtc4/GtMLW0B334gPZTzX4B87y uYPTAiNokCgN/i7e5KFvDZ+3umkSw81CvMfRHKfgVGkbAdBsGfjEzyYUGAE2lol9mi 9gWJ9mczV0N/X8Sf/EdsGpDdjegN+mJUnXUiFK/VanRlpgyV7DRO9Lp6Jxo6lzhdQz sBtIv4+gJRmwg== In-Reply-To: <87y1x62vic.fsf@rabkins.net> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=178.21.23.139; envelope-from=akib@disroot.org; helo=knopi.disroot.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:291905 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yoni Rabkin writes: > Kicking them out would be unkind. But asking that new projects going > forward use a different backend seems reasonable. That ideally should be > accompanied with a few recommendations. And it would be a huge inconvenience for the users too. > Emms has been always been hosted on Savannah (for many years now), and > it works well for us. Emms is a mid-sized Emacs package with relatively > light development work. Savannah has been a stable and reliable home > over many years. Savannah is obviously a good host, but it's not newbie friendly IMHO. FSF has a plan for a new forge. Let's wait and see what they give us. > As an Emacs package, yes, we have been asked by many people over the > years why we don't just use github, and I'm sure that Emms is indeed > mirrored there and therefore has been, without any of the copyright > holder's consent, been added to microsoft's mass code theft project. Almost all Emacs related things are mirrored to GitHub by Emacsmirror. Mirroring to GitHub is obviously a problem, but at least better than hosting on GitHub, because that means that the project is itself supporting "evil" GitHub. =2D-=20 Akib Azmain Turja This message is signed by me with my GnuPG key. 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