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Wed, 29 Mar 2023 17:19:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83wn374mmn.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 23 Mar 2023 15:34:40 +0200") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:yTCfMNDNQMDELBsIHLTwsESXeQVzyckljQFCOmDgI1w+4M7b1BR sMPDpxAw+iI2EuV8MRUIIiVkMDl4usOKTPpxmZLFOtRzIwuMiK3bNPanUmjojP4EVjbmUSl MUHwJCb1/zRQXMBUgqBVlwoJmti57POpVw7+D3Ja3Cz1ySGLyPc7GyP+c1BDj3CcuT4dc/e oNnidoPAEb7laHiYUvJ3A== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:Ev6c/NHfyWY=;xoQ9LgMsXZYd2h49I8nQcOuPnwi LGxT0Qb6zw5lZAHDS+N4fHqCeLjwp47l17V4NLko6kGy5o1nLEYWbcN5txnn40/jm4IWOfOl5 GCtdreHL/VvF4r2Y/QsBtzQaJ4YZ7glcvpH2AYCbItZCA01FoHD0QWF7GFkICachnRe80Pg4l YJ4BxS/HKWrgf5Xro+2ahjTOkVFsezQtlZbx4lxZIdR4GaxT2eTgzRJVnF7WD1CHAk6MLcnM6 Fj3TPo5UaRDiZDvx7w/V36DtPUtyYzfWKmo9Dv28pqXpckzHsyy4EsKO58DY4Rqh6WpPj8k64 zjh75s42hB96AbuD/O+KkTxX3eQXREPaL8Wz40o2XW6l3KrscfW/fiyVUycDzJTYPInSwrWu9 jTAuKZWdVNDQwgQJKqhxhFq6ZmxFce9PF9B0vIbuxcvr804uXlK2oLiLhZZqjhVIs8av9Ubyl fTO4wduLL/Fxdq9OBep2DmDFwIZDnarqvEBlszgm2B9ctcAjmtuCWrSPeUu6WXJSl4+rlGQtR D926DER/LF4RAGjpCG/Y6Tu92ga4ftocxG8HgPSFIZFSDABGGjQ9mqUL1Lk9kAP0usHc1ypU0 XGWkr94+npLbVn2xl1WNyfrB5c1v5ZlpP8EE1SbyjduozadFhD8cW/DeWGEZqAkvxlqQromX8 PLLnQEQJeLjLzetPOUldnp1i4lqI5cQmlPyqXyfuAM7oBc5Iw953ZlVB1vGVIaks0XHqcBH2v 6evwlhqT380J1mil2JLjbWacsa0H1HZxn2FxxDMcm6vSJprchzFGKPXzIYw3kydVZ2RSV+Gd X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:258852 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > I've made some changes in that section, please take a look. Wow - quite a few! I've read the whole chapter again and I found nothing that I could complain about. You also have worked in all my suggestions - apart from the "if you know how please load relevant Elisp source files before capturing an Elisp backtrace" one - intentionally? Apart from that everything looks good, but I'm not able to have an opinion about some things (like the document structure). I hope that the requirement to read the chapter carefully and follow all the rules does not scare people too much (my fear is that the competent people are more likely to be scared than the incompetent but self-competent). Dunno if we could try even more to encourage people without tempting others to spread nonsense. Maybe we could add a sentence like "If it is sure that you have found a bug, of course we want to hear about it even if you are not able to follow all of the advices strictly for some reason. Still, please do your best to take them into account so that our developers are not required to spend more time than necessary to understand your report." Anyway, thanks for revising the chapter and for integrating my suggestions. Michael.