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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305741 Archived-At: Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > Philip Kaludercic writes: > >> My point is that I am guessing the average user you interact with is >> either having issues or is actively interested in Eglot. I suspect (and >> it is my experience) the average user, just like the average Emacs user, >> does not really think about the specific version they are running. > > Yeah, who knows? And who knows if all the users we don't hear from are > all three-headed fish from Neptune? Don't think that means I should > ignore the users that face problems/want features and do make their > voices heard. > > I do agree they don't think about versions, and even less what is :core > or not. They probably just want things to work. I agree with you on that, the issue is that we have different ideas of what that means ^^. >>> PK> I have in my init.el is a lot: >>> PK> eldoc-echo-area-use-multiline-p nil >>> If you upgrade Eglot, you probably won't need this customization ;-) >> How come, is this not related to eldoc? > > It is, but you included it in your Eglot section, did you not?=20=20 AFAIR I just did that because I structure my configuration with outline-minor-mode and did not want to add another section. > And it > was, for a long time, a way to avoid "echo area flooding" in Eglot. So > I figured you'd be interested in knowning that that problem is largely > fixed. OK, thanks for the tip, I will take a look if things changed for me. >> Broken? If that is the case, the issue should be addressed, but the >> only issue I know of is that the package status is occasionally >> incorrect, but that does not affect the packages itself. > > Robert Pluim reported some breakage. And it's suspiciously slow to > start for me. This does not appear to have been described in a bug report? Could you point me to the message where this happens? >> [eglot-update] should be deprecated though > > Noone disagrees with that. Will do once there is a better alternative, > which there isn't atm. The plan is to address this in Emacs 30, and perhaps even earlier if we manage to add package.el to ELPA.