From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Distribution statistics for ELPA and EMMS Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2023 07:03:05 +0000 Message-ID: <87zg3zotzq.fsf@posteo.net> References: <87bkgfjzwa.fsf@rabkins.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30815"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Yoni Rabkin , emacs-devel To: Eduardo Ochs Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 14 09:03:50 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qKCqE-0007nB-Ft for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 09:03:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qKCph-0003Ad-33; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 03:03:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qKCpd-00039M-RZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 03:03:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qKCpZ-0001pJ-1t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 03:03:13 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0AB4240027 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 09:03:06 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1689318186; bh=afkhrhG4Par3U1O2qsjTW4KynXvvDZFHUj+fN5z0a/s=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=NBqPNUFkjotrYGcXgGZpbc80RZuS2+liqJhhwADqPbbj54VSKHe8JzRScPMEhtTgD ODnn25vorSjLXQ4EgtH1XfyI6Vr8ZSYmWpe3MaApgRNMAjHg41X/cncKe+uqVgJl01 r9CAFlZeQTt+BnKZndtEcM9lbaKyuAXu4CP0z+PQhWtWsYbB8C+0sqXFqfacYnMeNL AIpcpqKOdVSCyZDfMk0O4v2mxxWvhttPI5rxY3kmV4Xw8pNEWwUasgvT+kVpUj33b+ 9JB+YilXOTYyAkWOfdDDqaGiEGjO0J2ZmYQxW25sfRKKxmqhl1y/BX4jAEf66u/LD2 baMvBQsSFFpTA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4R2MrB1Fmyz9rxL; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 09:03:06 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Eduardo Ochs's message of "Thu, 13 Jul 2023 20:16:27 -0300") Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; keydata= mDMEZBBQQhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAHJuofBrfqFh12uQu0Yi7mrl525F28eTmwUDflFNmdui0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiWBBMWCAA+FiEEDg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwulikAEA77hloUiSrXgFkUVJhlKBpLCHUjA0 mWZ9j9w5d08+jVwBAK6c4iGP7j+/PhbkxaEKa4V3MzIl7zJkcNNjHCXmvFcEuDgEZBBQQhIKKwYB BAGXVQEFAQEHQI5NLiLRjZy3OfSt1dhCmFyn+fN/QKELUYQetiaoe+MMAwEIB4h+BBgWCAAmFiEE Dg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwukm+wEA8cml4JpK NeAu65rg+auKrPOP6TP/4YWRCTIvuYDm0joBALw98AMz7/qMHvSCeU/hw9PL6u6R2EScxtpKnWof z4oM Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307854 Archived-At: Eduardo Ochs writes: > On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 at 17:55, Yoni Rabkin wrote: >> >> I want to start the talk with the claim that Emms is a popular music and >> video package for Emacs. However, I have absolutely no numbers or >> statistics to back that claim. Is there a way to find out? Are any >> statistics collected by ELPA? >> >> Is there a way to answer the question: how many times was Emms installed >> in 2022? > > Hey, thanks for asking that! > > I'm the author of an Emacs package that is in ELPA and that I don't > have any idea how many users it has - I mean, besides the ones that > I've interacted with - and I was planning to start my talk about it > in the next EmacsConf by saying that it has "at least 10 users"... =/ Then again, if you go by download counts like MELPA, you will severely overestimate the number of users, since AFAIK they do not distinguish between downloads and updates, nor do they know if someone just installed a package and then immediately removed it. There was some discussion about updating the protocol that package.el uses, in which context thinking about some reliable yet privacy preserving method of estimating the user count would be nice to have. > Cheers =), > Eduardo Ochs > http://anggtwu.net/#eev