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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 09E5A51FC5 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.73 X-Spam-Score: -2.73 X-TUID: Pggd9HEDdH5D Ihor Radchenko writes: > Nick Dokos writes: > >>> ... >>> Probably the problem is not the side-effects done by loading >>> =org-ctags=, but rather that these hook function from =org-ctags= try >>> to do their job when the environment is not really ready for them, >>> i.e. when there is no known tag file around. >>> ... >> >> I disagree: the changes are done behind my back in an (almost) >> invisible manner and leave me surprised and mystified. Even if there >> was a TAGS file around, having links behave differently from one >> moment to the next, when the only thing I did in-between was ask for >> help on a completely unrelated Org mode function, is a nasty surprise. > > Sure, but we should not reject Jens' proposal just because of this > argument. We can use the suggestions to improve org-ctags itself, after > it is explicitly loaded. Absolutely. My disagreement was only with the part that I quoted, in particular the "Probably the problem is not the side-effects done by loading =org-ctags= ..." part: from my POV, that is *exactly* the problem which I would like to see addressed. -- Nick