From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: joakim@verona.se Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.tangents Subject: Re: Shrinking the C core Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:56:14 +0200 Message-ID: <87zg1r6oox.fsf@tanaka.verona.se> References: <83jzsvppv8.fsf@gnu.org> <878r9b8b2a.fsf@tanaka.verona.se> <83pm2nnppx.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2872"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: yandros@gmail.com, arthur.miller@live.com, emacs-tangents@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 12 23:56:38 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qgBN8-0000V7-Bo for get-emacs-tangents@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:56:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgBMv-0001ud-3a; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 17:56:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgBMr-0001uQ-F3 for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 17:56:21 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.outgoing.loopia.se ([93.188.3.37]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgBMo-0002Mu-Dv for emacs-tangents@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 17:56:21 -0400 Original-Received: from s807.loopia.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s807.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE9A2FABCAF for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:56:15 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from s981.loopia.se (unknown [172.22.191.5]) by s807.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB89C2E2BE88; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:56:15 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from s470.loopia.se (unknown [172.22.191.5]) by s981.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id C902022B16AC; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:56:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amavis.loopia.se Original-Received: from s981.loopia.se ([172.22.191.5]) by s470.loopia.se (s470.loopia.se [172.22.190.34]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id xtaXdUUORSRz; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:56:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Loopia-Auth: user X-Loopia-User: joakim@alicantealmeria.se X-Loopia-Originating-IP: 193.234.148.196 Original-Received: from tanaka.verona.se (unknown [193.234.148.196]) (Authenticated sender: joakim@alicantealmeria.se) by s981.loopia.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F06F222B16A5; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 23:56:14 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <83pm2nnppx.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 12 Sep 2023 22:42:02 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=93.188.3.37; envelope-from=joakim@verona.se; helo=smtp.outgoing.loopia.se X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-tangents@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs news and miscellaneous discussions outside the scope of other Emacs mailing lists List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-tangents-bounces+get-emacs-tangents=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.tangents:1074 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.01 tagged_above=-999 required=6.2 >> tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01] autolearn=disabled >> From: joakim@verona.se >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Arthur Miller , >> emacs-tangents@gnu.org >> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 21:07:41 +0200 >> >> - if I'm connected to an emacs session by ssh, and mistakenly make a >> cli command dump tens of megabytes of spewage to the shell buffer, I'm in trouble >> and cant easily get out of it. I need to open a new ssh session and >> kill the rampaging cli. This is quite tedious. Would concurrency fix this? > > This should be doable, and doesn't come anywhere near the "rewrite" > job. You just need a way of blocking the output from the shell, and > then use Emacs commands to kill it. That would be really great! >> - Same for long-lines, this is still not a solved problem. > > You didn't try Emacs 29 yet, did you? Well, I rebuild from master like at least once a month, so I should be good right? But I see your point, I should come up with a more tangible measure than claiming long lines to be unsolved. Sorry for that. > >> - Gnus refreshes slowly, maybe that could be helped with concurrency, >> but it could also be helped with more async work in gnus. > > Concurrency can help you keep reading messages while Gnus refreshes in > parallel, but it won't easily help you refresh faster, unless someone > comes up with a way of collecting the update in parallel chunks (in > which case they should be able to do that today with the emacs-async > package, I think). Yes, one of these days I should really try one of the gnus-async hacks. -- Joakim Verona joakim@verona.se