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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:316295 Archived-At: JD Smith writes: > This strikes me as a very rigid perspective. In my view, the costs > and benefits of any capability of a system can ebb and flow over time, > as the context in which they are evaluated changes. At least my outlook is applicable on the basis of objective criteria; like the presumption of innocence, for example, which many a trial would have better done without, if not for the arbitrariness that must have figured in any decision to do so.