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MS Windows is a non-free operation system, >> therefore it isn't a primary target for Emacs development. >> And it doesn't seem to be important. I'm working for Tramp for more >> than >> 20 years. During this time, nobody has contributed anything for the sake >> of MS Windows. And I don't use MS Windows myself; if possible, I fix >> things, that's it. > > Well, I've tried to help make Tramp work a bit better on MS-Windows > (my first Emacs patch was to fix Tramp hostname completion on > MS-Windows ;)), but this bug is the one where I finally gave up: > there's a point where trying to fix Microsoft's mistakes just becomes > too time-consuming and bothersome, so I focused my energies elsewhere. I really appreciate the patches you and other guys have contributed. But my point is different: Nobody has felt responsible over the last decades to make MS Windows a first class citizen in Tramp. Personally, I canoot and won't, since I don't use MS Windows. It is different for other platforms. For example, there exist two backends in Tramp for Android (tramp-adb.el and tramp-androidsu.el), both contributed by other people. I don't mean to criticize this lack of support. But it is an indication, that there's no urgent need. Best regards, Michael.