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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:323840 Archived-At: >>>>> On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 15:55:31 +0300, Thanos Apollo said: >>=20 >> Then there=CA=BCs no issue. Just define "=E1=BF=BD=E1=BF=BD" -> "=E1= =BF=BD" etc >>=20 Thanos> The issue is that some greek input methods, such as greek-polyt= inic Thanos> that was recommended, have that in reverse. They first add a c= haracter Thanos> and then the user can throw unlimited accents at it, e.g Thanos> =CE=AC=CC=81=CC=81=CC=81=CC=81=CC=81=CC=81=CC=81=CC=81=CC=81=CC= =81=CC=81=CC=81=CC=81=CC=81=CC=81=CC=81=CC=81=CC=81=CC=81=CC=81=CC=94=CC=94= =CC=94=CC=94=CC=94=CC=94=CC=94=CC=94=CC=94=CC=94=CC=93=CC=93=CC=88=CC=88=CC= =88=CC=88=CC=88=CC=88=CC=88=CC=88=CC=88=CC=88=CC=88=CC=88=CC=88=CC=88=CC=88= =CC=88=CC=88=CC=88=CC=88=CC=88=CC=88=CC=88=CC=88=CC=88=CC=88=CC=88=CD=85=CD= =85=CD=85=CD=85=CD=85=CD=85=CD=85=CD=85=CD=85 Thanos> This should be considered a different language, not Greek. "what do you care what other people think, Mr Feynman?". If you=CA=BCre going to define a new input method, it doesn=CA=BCt matter what the existing ones do. Thanos> Combinations of accents have specific keybindings, usually using Thanos> modifier keys (Meta, Control). Do you have any examples of qua= il or any Thanos> other input method that uses modifier keys? >>=20 >> I don=CA=BCt think that=CA=BCs currently possible in quail. "quail.e= l" >> explicitly says "ASCII key string". >>=20 Thanos> Thank you, do you have any ideas of how to approach creating an= input method that Thanos> uses modifier keys? I=CA=BCd take a look at input methods that have SIMPLE =3D nil, maybe that = allows using modifier keys. `key-translation-map' allows it, so it should be possible with quail as well: (define-prefix-command 'meta-q-map) (define-key key-translation-map (kbd "M-Q") meta-q-map) (define-key meta-q-map "a" "=E1=BE=B4") Of course, then you get the issue that your modifier keys are likely already bound to commands in emacs. Robert --=20