From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: pdumper on Solaris 10 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2024 17:04:39 +0100 Message-ID: <87zfl3le20.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <86a5d6f7bn.fsf@gnu.org> <871pyijctd.fsf@protonmail.com> <8634iyf257.fsf@gnu.org> <8634iwex8q.fsf@gnu.org> <86wmg7bso1.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyhzmzbp.fsf@telefonica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10812"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Pip Cet Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 10 17:05:45 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tL2k4-0002cp-C2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 17:05:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tL2jJ-0000n5-3G; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 11:04:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tL2jE-0000mP-Kv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 11:04:53 -0500 Original-Received: from relayout02-redir.e.movistar.es ([86.109.101.202]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tL2j9-0004KF-GD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 11:04:50 -0500 Original-Received: from sky (125.red-83-37-187.dynamicip.rima-tde.net [83.37.187.125]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: 981711563@telefonica.net) by relayout02.e.movistar.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Y73TP0gyRzdbTy; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 17:04:39 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Pip Cet's message of "Tue, 10 Dec 2024 15:38:20 +0000") X-TnetOut-Country: IP: 83.37.187.125 | Country: ES X-TnetOut-Information: AntiSPAM and AntiVIRUS on relayout02 X-TnetOut-MsgID: 4Y73TP0gyRzdbTy.AAD3C X-TnetOut-SpamCheck: no es spam, clean X-TnetOut-From: ofv@wanadoo.es X-TnetOut-Watermark: 1734451481.59545@w1hMJwPibJBbs1PetwvImA Received-SPF: softfail client-ip=86.109.101.202; envelope-from=ofv@wanadoo.es; helo=relayout02-redir.e.movistar.es X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:326295 Archived-At: Pip Cet writes: >> My perception of the past week or two using igc is that those pauses are >> much less jarring, if perceptible at all. I need more time to make a >> definitive judgment, though. > > If you do, and it's negative, please take into account that MPS offers > many tunable parameters, and hasn't been fine-tuned for Emacs yet. > Even if the current scratch/igc branch isn't satisfactory by itself, > it's very likely it can be improved by changing some numbers. Noted, thanks. > this is relevant because we're now discussing a simplification of the > GC code which would help MPS Those modifications can go on a branch (a fork of scratch/igc). When/if igc demonstrates its virtues and considered a considerable improvement for Emacs, related changes surely meet less oposition. Then you can point to that branch and suggest merging it instead of scratch/igc. > Put drastically, if MPS fails to land, the most likely reason is the > capriciously-applied "do not touch the GC" rule. What appears capriciously from the outside, may be responsible maintenance from the inside. Eli and a few others have a very long term commitment with Emacs' and, as maintainers, consider not degrading stability their principal duty towards users, which in practice means being almost overly conservative. And even if I sometimes get irritated by some decisions, knowing that I can rely on Emacs working (save for very occassional tweaks) is something that I appreciate very much. Remember XEmacs?