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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:326360 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > a technical difficulty: it is impossible to produce a fully correct > Info manual from those other formats. because those other formats do > not make the necessary distincions. > > It would not be terribly hard to write software which would do this > job _as well as could be done given the current formats_, but the > results will be visibly wrong. Could you comment on the user-facing features that would no longer work with such "visibly wrong" translated-from-other-formats Info manuals? I.e., what would be the user-observable breakage if one were to, say, convert sphinx-generated documentation into Info format? Whether it would still be useful to do this would depend on how severely broken the resulting Info format is. -- Suhail