From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dieter Wilhelm Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: VAX/VMS Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 22:06:24 +0100 Organization: The Church of Emacs Message-ID: <87y7q01rn3.fsf@hans.local.net> References: <878xijmdsi.fsf@ma-patru.mathematik.uni-karlsruhe.de> <8764dn3q6p.fsf@localhorst.mine.nu> <20061113104909.GH1352@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1164404500 3731 80.91.229.2 (24 Nov 2006 21:41:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 21:41:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 24 22:41:35 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GninY-00028i-Ck for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2006 22:41:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GninX-00036J-RJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2006 16:41:27 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GnijD-0008MM-Hq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2006 16:36:59 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GnijC-0008KY-Ge for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2006 16:36:58 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GnijC-0008KC-9h for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2006 16:36:58 -0500 Original-Received: from [212.227.126.171] (helo=moutng.kundenserver.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GniVN-0004cO-O3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Nov 2006 16:22:43 -0500 Original-Received: from [84.167.32.246] (helo=duenenhof-wilhelm.de) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKxQS-1GniVL3In1-0004YP; Fri, 24 Nov 2006 22:22:40 +0100 Original-Received: by duenenhof-wilhelm.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 735FC7562C; Fri, 24 Nov 2006 22:06:25 +0100 (CET) Original-To: "Juanma Barranquero" In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Fri\, 24 Nov 2006 20\:13\:30 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:d7ab225b98a136e1c2910381f940ecb9 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:38937 Archived-At: "Juanma Barranquero" writes: > On 11/23/06, Per Abrahamsen wrote: > >> VAX/VMS had a strongly typed file system Could you briefly describe what a strongly typed file system is, sorry? Is this analogous to a "strongly typed" programming language? Is in this sense C a strongly typed language? One must declare the type and can interchange--with some exceptions--only same types. Would Lisp be a weakly typed language, because the type information is stored in the data itself? > > This is a feature. As it was its automatic versioning of files. I read Vista is going to have something similar. > >> It also had a really >> obscure syntax for file names, using []:. among other special >> characters. > > Obscure only from another system's mindset. There was nothing obscure > in its filename syntax from my POV. > >> And a zillion different kind of hardwired interacting >> privileges that meant that ordinary users rarely were able to do what >> they want, but hackers could do anything as there were always some >> obscure path from "may use the printer privilege" to "can overwrite >> system files privilege". > > As if that didn't ever happen on Unix, did it? :-) > >> The editors were EDT and later TPU. They were much better than vi, I >> have to give them that. You can suffer them in Emacs with M-x >> edt-emulation-on or M-x tpu-edt . (TPU was really a system >> for writing editors in). I really like Emacs but I think vi(m) is not so bad, after all. > > The usual TPU editor was called EVE (Extensible Vax Editor). > >> Some people liked VAX/VMS, typically the same who preferred Wirth >> Pascal over K&R C. For the rest of us, Ultrix was a much more >> productive environment, once you had installed Emacs in it. > > Thought I'm no Pascal freak, about the only language I wouldn't prefer > over K&R C is BASIC... > For what it's worth, both of you can go on indefinitely, I like to read about these things 8-) > /L/e/k/t/u -- Best wishes H. Dieter Wilhelm Darmstadt, Germany