From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: always put Customizations in `custom-file', never in `user-init-file' Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:07:57 +0900 Message-ID: <87y7c2ccv6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <475DA1D2.7020701@gmail.com> <873auadz8l.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <475DAEAE.2040305@gmail.com> <871w9udurc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <85odcym9o4.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1197331538 14782 80.91.229.12 (11 Dec 2007 00:05:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" , Drew Adams , Emacs-Devel To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 11 01:05:45 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J1scc-0007at-1Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:05:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J1scK-0004Gu-85 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:04:56 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J1scF-0004CZ-V0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:04:52 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J1sc9-00040l-Sx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:04:51 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J1sc9-00040i-Oq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:04:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J1sc5-0002M5-Al; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:04:41 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (unknown [130.158.99.156]) by mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A821535A8; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:04:39 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5E15F11FA3F; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:07:58 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <85odcym9o4.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" (+CVS-20070621) XEmacs Lucid X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85006 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > I don't think automigration is a good idea. The one point of time where > it happens is when you try out a new version of Emacs/XEmacs the very > first time, and that is exactly when you don't want to have it change > your setup or nag you about it while you are still in test drive mode. That's the user's point of view. At the time of introducing automigration, the number of people who decided to edit custom-set-* forms, or introduce multiple instances, and got into trouble was quite annoying. We don't hear about that kind of bug at all any more, except from a few retro "everything in .emacs" types. Who are properly embarrassed about failing to follow good advice, usually. :-) Automigration is good for the maintainers at (some, small) expense to the users. This isn't as important an issue as the "read you your rights" splash screen, but the fairly minor annoyance you describe can be handled in the same way, with equal success in our experience. Heck, we got a *lot* less pushback on automigration than you guys did with the splash screen.