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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: esr@thyrsus.com
Cc: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@snark.thyrsus.com>,
	Chris Ball <cjb@laptop.org>, Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 08:46:41 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y7b3zvha.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080105212643.GX30869@thyrsus.com>

Eric S. Raymond writes:

 > > I think it's appealing to have a checkout of the bug database available
 > > alongside a source code checkout.  Bugs Everywhere is not finished yet,
 > > but can use many different VCS backends including arch, bzr and hg.
 > > I have a small patch to add GIT support to it, too.
 > 
 > This sounds interesting.  How close would you say it is to production status?

Interesting, yes, but a word of caution: a bug database is like a
market.  Markets are most useful when *every* bid and ask is
published.  As soon as you allow secret dealing, things become less
liquid.  Similarly, unless bugs are more or less automatically pushed
to the public interface, it's not going to be as useful for
communicating with casual users and developers.  The easiest and least
invasive way to achieve automatic pushing is to have only the public
interface for bug entry.

Of course the motivations for "secrecy" are personal profit in the
market and "laziness" in the bug tracker, but the chilling effects on
information flow will be qualitatively similar.  Quantitatively?  "Try
it and see."  But be prepared with Plan B.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-05 23:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-04 16:44 Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-04 17:33 ` Andreas Röhler
2008-01-04 18:29   ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-04 18:38   ` Gianluca Della Vedova
2008-01-05 14:31     ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-05 18:50       ` Gianluca Della Vedova
2008-01-05 19:51         ` Drew Adams
2008-01-05 19:58           ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 20:13           ` Sven Joachim
2008-01-05 20:28             ` Drew Adams
2008-01-06 10:47         ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-05 22:39       ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-06 18:09         ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 19:57           ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-06 22:29             ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-07 11:31               ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-04 19:20 ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-04 19:40   ` Drew Adams
2008-01-04 23:25 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-01-05  0:44   ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05  1:23     ` Miles Bader
2008-01-05  2:54       ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 15:38         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 16:33           ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-01-05 19:05           ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 19:12             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-01-05 20:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 20:38               ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 21:55                 ` Reiner Steib
2008-01-05 22:05                 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-05 22:48                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 23:25                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 22:00             ` Bastien
2008-01-05 22:21               ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 23:32                 ` Bastien
2008-01-06  0:52                   ` Bastien
2008-01-07 17:15                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-08  1:06                       ` Bastien
2008-01-06 10:46             ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-08 23:49             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-01-09  1:13               ` Leo
2008-01-09  1:48                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-01-09  1:28               ` Andrea Russo
2008-01-09  1:49                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-01-05 12:23     ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-01-05 17:40       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-01-06  1:10         ` Mike Mattie
2008-01-06 18:09           ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 18:18             ` David Kastrup
2008-01-06 21:27               ` Jan Djärv
2008-01-06 21:35                 ` David Kastrup
2008-01-07  6:56                   ` Jan Djärv
2008-01-07  8:23                     ` David Kastrup
2008-01-07 14:28             ` Bill Wohler
2008-01-10  4:11             ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-01-05 22:23       ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-01-05 22:23       ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-01-05 23:05       ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-05 23:20         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-01-06 17:13           ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-06 20:15             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-01-06 20:37               ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-06 22:17               ` Bastien
2008-01-05  5:20   ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 11:17     ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-01-05 14:57       ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 15:51         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-01-05 16:07           ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 19:58         ` Chris Ball
2008-01-05 20:50           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-01-05 21:26           ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 23:46             ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2008-01-06 16:38           ` email-based development (was:: Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker) John S. Yates, Jr.
2008-01-05  8:51   ` Let a QA department into the works Andreas Röhler
2008-01-05 14:53     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-06  8:09     ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 11:15       ` David Kastrup
2008-01-06 19:52         ` Andreas Röhler
2008-01-05 21:39   ` Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker Bastien
2008-01-05 14:30 ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-05 15:25   ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-06 10:47     ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-05 15:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 18:24   ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 20:19     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 21:48       ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-05 23:21         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-05 23:39           ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-06  1:03             ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-06  2:08               ` Miles Bader
2008-01-06  4:08                 ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-06 10:26                   ` Andreas Schwab
2008-01-06 11:22                     ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-06 13:19                       ` Andreas Schwab
2008-01-06 11:13                   ` David Kastrup
2008-01-06 15:59                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-07 11:30                       ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-07 13:29                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2008-01-08 19:06                           ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-09 15:35                     ` Bill Wohler
2008-01-06  4:14                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-06  5:30                   ` Miles Bader
2008-01-07 14:40                     ` Yavor Doganov
2008-01-10  4:23                       ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-01-10  6:46                         ` Mark Linimon
2008-01-11  7:00                       ` Bill Wohler
2008-01-11 15:54                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2008-01-11 20:42                           ` Ralf Angeli
2008-01-11 21:25                           ` Nick Roberts
2008-01-11 22:41                             ` David Kastrup
2008-01-11 23:14                           ` Evans Winner
2008-01-13  8:35                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 18:09         ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 20:02           ` Martin Geisler
2008-01-07 11:31             ` Richard Stallman
2008-01-06 20:09           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-01-06 21:08           ` Eric S. Raymond

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