Misc problems with INSTALL file

Misc problems with INSTALL file

[Kim F. Storm]

I noticed the following stuff in INSTALL which should be fixed:

> To take proper advantage of Emacs 21's mule-unicode charsets, you need
> a suitable font.  For `Unicode' (ISO 10646) fonts for X, see

Emacs 21 should be just Emacs.

Do we still speak of "mule-unicode" ?

> (This is for a Unix or Unix-like system.  For MS-DOS and Windows 3.X,
> see below; search for MSDOG.  For Windows 9X, Windows ME, Windows NT,

There is no MS-DOS or W3x support in Emacs 23 - right?

> Installation on MSDOG (a.k.a. MSDOS)
>
> [...]

Ditto - so this whole section should be removed - right ?

I know that Eli does not want to kill MSDOG support, but IIUC
in the current state [feature freeze - release just around the corner],
Emacs 23 does not run on MSDOG. 

That needs to be announced in NEWS too.

-- 
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk

Re: Misc problems with INSTALL file

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <877iaejafg.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm>, storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes:

> I noticed the following stuff in INSTALL which should be fixed:

> > To take proper advantage of Emacs 21's mule-unicode charsets, you need
> > a suitable font.  For `Unicode' (ISO 10646) fonts for X, see

> Emacs 21 should be just Emacs.

> Do we still speak of "mule-unicode" ?

I think no.  How about the change something like this?

*** INSTALL.~1.135.~	2008-08-01 10:56:23.000000000 +0900
--- INSTALL	2008-08-19 10:21:19.000000000 +0900
***************
*** 177,184 ****
  The Emacs distribution does not include fonts and does not install
  them.  You must do that yourself.
  
! To take proper advantage of Emacs 21's mule-unicode charsets, you need
! a suitable font.  For `Unicode' (ISO 10646) fonts for X, see
  <URL:http://czyborra.com/unifont/> (packaged in Debian),
  <URL:http://openlab.ring.gr.jp/efont/> (packaged in Debian).  (In
  recent Debian versions, there is an extensive `misc-fixed' iso10646-1
--- 177,186 ----
  The Emacs distribution does not include fonts and does not install
  them.  You must do that yourself.
  
! Emacs running on the GNU system supports both X fonts and local fonts
! (i.e. the fonts managed by the fontconfig library).
! 
! For `Unicode' (ISO 10646) X fonts, see
  <URL:http://czyborra.com/unifont/> (packaged in Debian),
  <URL:http://openlab.ring.gr.jp/efont/> (packaged in Debian).  (In
  recent Debian versions, there is an extensive `misc-fixed' iso10646-1

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@ni.aist.go.jp

Re: Misc problems with INSTALL file

[Chong Yidong]

Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:

> I think no.  How about the change something like this?

Looks good.

Re: Misc problems with INSTALL file

[Chong Yidong]

storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes:

>> Installation on MSDOG (a.k.a. MSDOS)
>>
>> [...]
>
> Ditto - so this whole section should be removed - right ?
>
> I know that Eli does not want to kill MSDOG support, but IIUC
> in the current state [feature freeze - release just around the corner],
> Emacs 23 does not run on MSDOG. 
>
> That needs to be announced in NEWS too.

I can't recall --- was it working in Emacs 22?

Re: Misc problems with INSTALL file

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <87y72tixdb.fsf@cyd.mit.edu>, Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com> writes:

> Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:
> > I think no.  How about the change something like this?

> Looks good.

Ok, I've just comitted that change.

---
Kenichi Handa
handa@ni.aist.go.jp

Re: Misc problems with INSTALL file

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:54:16 -0400
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes:
> 
> >> Installation on MSDOG (a.k.a. MSDOS)
> >>
> >> [...]
> >
> > Ditto - so this whole section should be removed - right ?
> >
> > I know that Eli does not want to kill MSDOG support, but IIUC
> > in the current state [feature freeze - release just around the corner],
> > Emacs 23 does not run on MSDOG. 
> >
> > That needs to be announced in NEWS too.
> 
> I can't recall --- was it working in Emacs 22?

I just told you a few days ago that the 22.2.90 pretest does build and
work on MS-DOS.

Re: Misc problems with INSTALL file

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm)
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:11:15 +0200
> 
> There is no MS-DOS or W3x support in Emacs 23 - right?

It's still there.  No one removed the DOS support code yet.

> I know that Eli does not want to kill MSDOG support, but IIUC
> in the current state [feature freeze - release just around the corner],
> Emacs 23 does not run on MSDOG. 

Feature freeze means that no new features should be added, but AFAIK
it does not mean existing code cannot be debugged and fixed.

Re: Misc problems with INSTALL file

[Chong Yidong]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm)
>> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:11:15 +0200
>> 
>> There is no MS-DOS or W3x support in Emacs 23 - right?
>
> It's still there.  No one removed the DOS support code yet.
>
>> I know that Eli does not want to kill MSDOG support, but IIUC
>> in the current state [feature freeze - release just around the corner],
>> Emacs 23 does not run on MSDOG. 
>
> Feature freeze means that no new features should be added, but AFAIK
> it does not mean existing code cannot be debugged and fixed.

Indeed.  I added a note to FOR-RELEASE, reminding to update INSTALL and
NEWS if MS-DOS still isn't ready by the time we want to make the
release.

Re: Misc problems with INSTALL file

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm)
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:11:15 +0200
> 
> > (This is for a Unix or Unix-like system.  For MS-DOS and Windows 3.X,
> > see below; search for MSDOG.  For Windows 9X, Windows ME, Windows NT,
> 
> There is no MS-DOS or W3x support in Emacs 23 - right?

There is now.