From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul R Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs mode line suggestions Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:37:49 +0100 Message-ID: <87y6ziu4rm.fsf@gmail.com> References: <15962952-6180-41bd-abce-1b919aa55807@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226911115 4242 80.91.229.12 (17 Nov 2008 08:38:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Ian Eure Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 17 09:39:36 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1L1zdu-00080Q-TB for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:39:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52813 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L1zck-0005Tq-6l for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:38:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L1zcN-0005TT-3g for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:37:59 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L1zcL-0005T1-R9 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:37:58 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37748 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L1zcL-0005Su-MI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:37:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:53595) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L1zcL-0000rt-9T for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:37:57 -0500 Original-Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.189]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L1zcJ-0001ni-Mq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:37:56 -0500 Original-Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so1286968nfi.26 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:37:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:subject:references :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=q/SZO4T6IoXjv6y+fhk7O4IiA1EOncvrtW1mnQXlYH0=; b=MTnYM+/V5KfoqyqQH6oJAKClele8xEq9Hz/7jzzdzAvOjeo7fY7zFh30bWcKzMAdj0 mhPZgsRDWctZdNJxRUWetBr9NSvW7+ITPtlkJB59cgJAzNrU2bWFj1DkEcynxJU2ov8m 069pDvpwn5nZ0BiAAE5obj226U7eNr98VyF2w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=qQOQKhXuqHHS1YctyEi1XXvSAR09C6RiZ6329bsG+CnnsIKkVBKmr/zSJYNGe2ze83 g+LbMlttfd1UtStv6UPUZcTf7E0RCOdUBhrNZdG8mbk15GiVGMeVhnWX/xyo8AUGl1pz S0BGaxZyE8+SGAlnk4MQDoQuqB2WHxD7hvOWs= Original-Received: by 10.103.226.20 with SMTP id d20mr1108336mur.8.1226911073183; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:37:53 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from ubuT42 (pdc35-1-82-242-132-111.fbx.proxad.net [82.242.132.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u26sm4110274mug.5.2008.11.17.00.37.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:37:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Ian Eure's message of "Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:12:13 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:59860 Archived-At: Ian> It's equally confusing. If you want to improve things, great, but Ian> replacing one crappy behavior with a different crappy behavior is Ian> a waste. Yes, that's right, but still, current behaviour is clearly confusing and suboptimal. Maybe buffers lack a :user or a :system flag that would be set automatically or by the producer, independently of setting the name to something matching the regexp \*.*\*. I think this is what Xah meant and I agree with this point. The effort could be joined with the one mentionned on emacs devel few months ago to give emacs enought facilities to propose "workspaces". In a workspace, the layout of the window is preserved and the list of proposed buffers for switching is restricted only to those relevants to the work being done in the workspace. We can imagine the compilation workspace, the jabber workspace, the mail workspace, the system monitoring workspace and so on. Finally, I also think that not turning on something like ido or iswitchb by default is a terrible default usability choice, and I hope it is still time for core developpers to think about it again. -- Paul