From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Teemu Likonen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Arrow Keys? Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:38:45 GMT Organization: Sonera Customer Message-ID: <87y6rx5mbu.fsf@iki.fi> References: <791jqsF1otu7cU1@mid.individual.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1244832051 22924 80.91.229.12 (12 Jun 2009 18:40:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:40:51 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 12 20:40:49 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MFBgG-0006CG-Th for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:40:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58802 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MFBgG-00084m-Bv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:40:48 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!goblin1!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!feeder.erje.net!feeder2.news.saunalahti.fi!feeder1.news.saunalahti.fi!nntp.inet.fi!central1.inet.fi!inet.fi!read4.inet.fi.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:dTR/M5awvJbx4lqDBSjibPPR/gs= Original-Lines: 21 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.220.180.181 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@inet.fi Original-X-Trace: read4.inet.fi 1244831925 80.220.180.181 (Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:38:45 EEST) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:38:45 EEST Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:169990 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:65210 Archived-At: On 2009-06-12 13:34 (-0400), John A Pershing Jr wrote: > I don't understand what the problem is, here. The arrow keys work just > fine, for those of you who don't/can't touch type. The mouse works > just fine, too. And, the control-meta-cokebottle keys work just fine > for those of us who *do* touch type. If you don't like C-f, then don't > use it. It's as simple as that. I think the point is this: 1. Arrow keys are quite far away from usual typing positions so arrow keys' position is not optimal. 2. C-fbnp are difficult or painful and certainly not ergonomic so they are not optimal either. 3. By default there are no optimal keys for moving cursor. And I would agree with that. It is possible to learn and master C-fbnp keys but they are far from optimal and nice. Fortunately Emacs is customizable.