From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: scroll-(down|up) but stay on the same column Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:01:33 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87y6m8toju.fsf@mail.jurta.org> References: <7b501d5c0911110111j3ae3aae6nc3f30d20be142232@mail.gmail.com> <7b501d5c0911110752l5cfe0d83x1a8bcf409b608629@mail.gmail.com> <7b501d5c0911120205k42016496h6a1d600e7bee7387@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1258299442 14791 80.91.229.12 (15 Nov 2009 15:37:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:37:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Deniz Dogan , rms@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 15 16:37:14 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1N9hA9-0001oA-TV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:37:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57536 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N9hA9-0002xt-77 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:37:13 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N9h7M-0000Ug-0v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:34:20 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N9h7G-0000R1-6H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:34:18 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35883 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N9h7G-0000Qy-09 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:34:14 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp-out1.starman.ee ([85.253.0.3]:57718 helo=mx1.starman.ee) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N9h7D-0002RC-04; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:34:11 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-New at mx1.starman.ee Original-Received: from mail.starman.ee (82.131.29.120.cable.starman.ee [82.131.29.120]) by mx1.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A833F40FA; Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:34:04 +0200 (EET) In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:26:31 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117009 Archived-At: >> Please let's invite people to try it for a few days and report if they >> don't like it. > > Count me as +1. Setting s-p-s-p to 'always According to cus-start.el, "Always" has the value "1". However, I think "Always" is too drastic change. `scroll-preserve-screen-position' = t would be better as the default since it does what most other programs do. > is the only thing that makes scroll-(up|down) behavior acceptable to > me (before, I used an external package to get the same effect). Please consider also another change that makes default scroll-(up|down) behavior more acceptable especially for users coming to Emacs from other editors is such behavior that on reaching the top of the buffer with the key , point moves to the first line, and only the subsequent signals the error "Beginning of buffer", and on reaching the bottom of the buffer with , point moves to the last line before signaling "End of buffer". -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/