From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: redisplay system of emacs Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:01:19 +0900 Message-ID: <87y6jfrh4w.fsf@xemacs.org> References: <4B633B7C.8030700@gmx.de> <87aavwrw0r.fsf@xemacs.org> <87bpgbgbpk.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1264848573 29837 80.91.229.12 (30 Jan 2010 10:49:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 30 11:49:30 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NbAtN-0004UG-VM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 11:49:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52573 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NbAtN-0006uE-5X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 05:49:29 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NbAtC-0006tf-K4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 05:49:18 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38537 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NbAtB-0006tE-IC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 05:49:17 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NbAtA-00083O-Pu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 05:49:17 -0500 Original-Received: from mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:34969) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NbAt6-00082B-J4; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 05:49:12 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41CD77FFA; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 19:49:10 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9084E120643; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:01:19 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87bpgbgbpk.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" a03421eb562b XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120682 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > > > grischka writes: > > > > > But as is, emacs comes with an implicit structural clause to its > > > license, as in "[You may convey a work based on the Program, ...] > > > BUT WE DO OUR BEST TO PREVENT THAT." > > > > That's simply not true. There have historically been a large number > > of editors based on Emacs code, > > Maybe the point was that it is not trivial to get home-brewn extensions > back into Emacs upstream. In particular, if they have been brewed in > somebody else's home... That's not how I read it. It seems to me that the OP (and others in this thread, as well is in the package manager threads) are looking for a more open ecology, something like the various C*AN networks on the "Emacs is a platform for application development" side, and FFI on the the "Emacs interacts with various communication protocols and storage formats" side. In other words, less, not more, centralization. A smaller core Emacs doing less better, and delegating more to 3rd-party libraries. > > As for browsing 1GB (well, for Emacs it would be 256MB, I guess?) > > most-positive-fixnum => 536870911 Oops. I wish you had posted 30 minutes earlier, I just misquoted myself in another channel. Thank you (and Eli) for the correction, anyway. > > log files, there's nothing like (X)Emacs! > less is better, actually. I need my virtual memory for other things > than decorated log files. I don't decorate the log files. I use things like M-x occur or M-x delete-non-matching lines on them, though. Does less support such features now?