From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.bidi Subject: Re: [emacs-bidi] Mixed L2R and R2L paragraphs and horizontal scroll Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:57:01 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87y6j9kn8y.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <83tyu3iu6b.fsf@gnu.org> <201002011400.o11E0jMQ007420@beta.mvs.co.il> <83vdeghfqg.fsf@gnu.org> <201002012205.o11M5Sci011809@beta.mvs.co.il> <83k4uvh09o.fsf@gnu.org> <201002031310.o13DAqXd019253@beta.mvs.co.il> <83eil2gn7i.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1265299334 22544 80.91.229.12 (4 Feb 2010 16:02:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 16:02:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-bidi@gnu.org To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 04 17:02:11 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nd49e-0002L7-4d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:02:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51002 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nd49N-00073y-1n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 11:01:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nd45a-0005Ze-Sa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:57:54 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56602 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nd45Z-0005ZT-Ph for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:57:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nd45X-0006A1-W3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:57:53 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:34140) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nd45X-00069t-KN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:57:51 -0500 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nd45I-0007KO-JG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:57:36 +0100 Original-Received: from p5b2c2cb1.dip.t-dialin.net ([91.44.44.177]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:57:36 +0100 Original-Received: from dak by p5b2c2cb1.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:57:36 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 23 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5b2c2cb1.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.90 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:EIORJVk3q+mckf2DKvznrJPfCqw= X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:120906 gmane.emacs.bidi:515 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >>> What you describe here is the Emacs screen as rectangle frame moving >>> over the visual ordered text. > >> For truncation and continuation, yes. For horizontal scrolling, no: >> it works in the logical order. That is, scroll-left moves text in >> each line towards its respective margin: left margin for L2R lines, >> right margin for R2L. More about this near the end of this message. > >> Please don't do that. It is counterintuitive, and contradicts the >> idea of scrolling left and right. When we have a horizontal scroll >> bar, that behavior will make no sense at all. > > I agree that "inverted scrolling" will lead to surprising scrolling > behavior and "rigid scrolling" would lead to something more logical (at > least to my mind). But I think it's "OK for now". Please note also that the keybindings C-x < and C-x > use mnemonics based on graphical direction. -- David Kastrup