From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX. Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:50:23 -0400 Message-ID: <87y6htposg.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83pr371rl2.fsf@gnu.org> <873a03pmgn.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <20100314093329.GA1362@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268668257 18759 80.91.229.12 (15 Mar 2010 15:50:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:50:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alan Mackenzie , eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, cloos@jhcloos.com, miles@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 15 16:50:51 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NrCZ6-0005wX-Qg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:50:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37187 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NrCZ6-00005r-Ci for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:50:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NrCYw-0008W3-Kq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:50:38 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=55336 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NrCYv-0008Vi-BS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:50:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NrCYt-0007Og-QE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:50:37 -0400 Original-Received: from pantheon-po25.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.119]:51371) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NrCYl-0007Mz-0j; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:50:27 -0400 Original-Received: from furry (dhcp128036014175.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.175]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po25.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o2FFoOx8001109 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:50:24 -0400 Original-Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B247DC011; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:50:23 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:30:31 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.94 (gnu/linux) X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122005 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > It's based on the assumption that the user will use the scroll bar to > scroll. That's not true for all users -- for instance, I would never > use the scroll bar to scroll in Emacs, because the keyboard is so much > more convenient. > > The scroll bar can also be used to see where in the buffer you are. > It is not necessary to use the scroll bar for this, since the mode > line gives the same info. But some people may have the habit of > getting it from the scroll bar. Maybe people who use the scroll bar > that way would prefer it on the right. I think the solution floated earlier can address this: those who want to use the scroll bar as a visual aid should compile without GTK tool bars, and we should place such tool bars on the left by default, where they traditionally are in Motif and other old X apps. GTK tool bars should be placed on the right by default, like all other GTK apps.