From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.general,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Gnus Git synchronization with Emacs Bazaar (was: The Gnus repository is switching to Git as of 2010-04-19) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:24:36 +0900 Message-ID: <87y6ggkyvv.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <878w8jmjly.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fx2qgrdw.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878w8hevp6.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878w8hofj1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <874oj5m5ib.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1271903184 1164 80.91.229.12 (22 Apr 2010 02:26:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 02:26:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ted Zlatanov Original-X-From: ding-owner+M18023@lists.math.uh.edu Thu Apr 22 04:26:22 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ding-account@gmane.org Original-Received: from util0.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.18]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O4m7R-0003Ls-9v for ding-account@gmane.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 04:26:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.math.uh.edu) by util0.math.uh.edu with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1O4m69-0000jn-9H; Wed, 21 Apr 2010 21:25:01 -0500 Original-Received: from mx2.math.uh.edu ([129.7.128.33]) by util0.math.uh.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1O4m67-0000jZ-QB for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 21 Apr 2010 21:24:59 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]) by mx2.math.uh.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O4m65-00064B-St for ding@lists.math.uh.edu; Wed, 21 Apr 2010 21:24:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1O4m64-0002D8-00 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 04:24:57 +0200 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E771537B2; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:24:51 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 430DA1A34EE; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:24:36 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <874oj5m5ib.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" a03421eb562b XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-ID: Precedence: bulk Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.general:69633 gmane.emacs.devel:124010 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > SJT> *What I would do if I were you* is lobby for a new subtree, "packages", > SJT> of the Emacs tree, and just plop Gnus into that, with its Lisp and > SJT> support files all under packages/gnus. > > But that doesn't eliminate the synchronization problem: we still want to > keep the current setup and let Emacs keep its own version of some Gnus > files like message.el. Only lisp/gnus/*.el, some docs, and some images > will move to the Gnus package. This business of Gnus being composed of several notionally separate but in fact mutually infected subsystems does substantially complicate things. Nevertheless, the closer you make the Gnus subset of Emacs to the standalone Gnus tree, the easier maintenance will be. > I think that Gnus is a special case and we shouldn't adapt Emacs' > packaging system to accomodate it. The point is that, for the purpose of the present discussion, Gnus is not that special a case, and that's why XEmacs has a package system, and why, after being dragged in the direction of righteousness for over a decade, all the while kicking and screaming about the evil of possibly proprietary packages, Emacs is getting one too. *shrug* Emacs people like it that way, I guess.