From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: elpa.gnu.org repository sync with Emacs (was: rainbow-mode) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 07:50:48 -0600 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87y68t8jif.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> References: <87mxpabjj3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <8762vyz5rl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <8739r2z1w8.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1289915660 17989 80.91.229.12 (16 Nov 2010 13:54:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:54:20 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 16 14:54:11 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PILz0-0000S4-2l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:54:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34402 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PILyz-0005YQ-BZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:54:01 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41313 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PILwA-0003eO-4q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:51:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PILw7-0000iE-Q5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:51:04 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:36305) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PILw7-0000i7-FP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:51:03 -0500 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PILw3-0006nK-JX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:50:59 +0100 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:50:59 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:50:59 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 62 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:KP5Z4CSuJ/NXrTzc+d+6WAgNilk= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:132705 Archived-At: On Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:15:33 -0500 Glenn Morris wrote: GM> I tried the elpa interface and it seems very nifty, but I do share the GM> concerns expressed about what it all means in practice for the GM> maintenance of the associated packages. As an "easy way to get a GM> package that would otherwise not be in Emacs" (eg AUCTeX), it seems GM> really nice; for farming out things that otherwise _would_ be in GM> Emacs proper, not so much. GM> Some of these issues would go away if these "non-infrastructure" GM> packages (not AUCTeX etc, but rather the things that would have been GM> added to Emacs before elpa) were hosted in a central Savannah bzr GM> repository (or possible as a subdirectory in the existing Emacs GM> repository that is excluded from the tarfiles; I'm not sure if the GM> number of files in the Bzr version of Emacs matters very much), so GM> that the Emacs developers can and do feel able to help maintain them. GM> From my point of, the ideal thing would be something like a separate GM> top-level "elpa/" directory in the normal repo, not compiled by GM> default, that I could compile with `make elpa' or somesuch. GM> Then putting something on elpa doesn't mean relegating it to being a GM> second-class citizen. On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 00:55:16 -0500 Stefan Monnier wrote: SM> That's a problem with the current setup, indeed. I think we should be SM> moving towards a Bzr "packages" branch which we could checkout alongside SM> Emacs and edit easily to fix bugs. SM> There's a fair bit of work left to do to get to that point, tho. SM> Part of the problem here is how to decouple edits from uploads, how to SM> sync local changes with the upstream maintainer, etc... I'll try to merge Glenn's comments, your comments, and mine into a plan: 1) add elpa/ directory to main Emacs repo (as a branch or subdirectory; my vote is for a subdirectory that's not bundled or compiled because it will get branched together with Emacs itself). Make it available to a dev checkout of Emacs as a file:/// URL (so it can be tested easily). 2) let the usual Emacs hackers access elpa/* normally 3) mirror elpa/ to a repo on elpa.gnu.org daily after reviewing the changes (so it's a supervised pull, not automatic). Allow admins to trigger this from the web site. 4) Set up a deploy process of the elpa.gnu.org repo to the HTML tree (with one package repository per major version as I suggested, plus a "dev" package repository and an "all" package repository). This can be deployed automatically and manually. Allow admins to trigger deployments from the web site. 5) set up specific third-party packages to be fetched into the "all" package repository daily on top of the deployment. AUCTeX, BBDB, etc. would be good candidates for this. This lets us bundle Emacs-local changes to third-party packages into clear diffs we can send back upstream. It also separates "commit something into the package repository" from "deploy the package repository to the world." Ted