From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: more on starttls, gnutls-cli and using tls for mail Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 08:08:27 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87y5xc6a7o.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <20039.8838.116211.694328@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <8762m0n5qi.fsf@red-bean.com> <87ty9kpl2q.fsf@niu.edu> <87bovsj72q.fsf@red-bean.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1316956135 10656 80.91.229.12 (25 Sep 2011 13:08:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 13:08:55 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 25 15:08:50 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R7oRu-00057Y-DH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 15:08:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55817 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7oRt-0005Hb-NR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 09:08:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:58959) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7oRq-0005H1-Mr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 09:08:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7oRp-0001ri-EM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 09:08:46 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:59994) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R7oRp-0001rY-3e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 09:08:45 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R7oRo-00055Y-5t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 15:08:44 +0200 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.133 ([38.98.147.133]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 15:08:44 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.133 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 15:08:44 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 31 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.133 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:941seKviZ+/BsYNPDd6yrcKWBIc= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144276 Archived-At: On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:23:09 -0400 Karl Fogel wrote: KF> Separately, I think it's bad that we removed the Elisp-based API for KF> passing this authn information, since some people (like me) are already KF> using Elisp to fetch the auth creds securely from elsewhere, and having KF> to dynamically construct a ~/.authinfo file as a means of passing that KF> information *to other Elisp* is, shall we say, a really poor API. KF> There's no reason we can't have both `smtpmail-auth-credentials' and KF> ~/.authinfo (or ~/.authinfo.foo), and simply fall try the former when KF> the latter is unavailable. KF> However, that's a larger change, or semi-reversion. I don't know if it KF> would be accepted; I guess it belongs in a distinct thread. `smtpmail-auth-credentials' is not a good interface for many reasons. It was very, very well discussed in the past. Everything it can do, should be possible with `auth-source-search'. `auth-source' supports multiple backends. There's no reason we can't provide a backend that does the dynamic fetching you want and does not use a authinfo/netrc file. The authinfo/netrc backend supports entry creation and can share the file with other consumers such as libcurl; this is the main reason why it's the default now. You should also note that you can configure `auth-sources' to use any combination of backends. So your custom ELisp backend could be first, then you'd hit the Secrets API, then the authinfo/netrc backend. This is simply impossible with `smtpmail-auth-credentials'. Ted