From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: NaCl support for Emacs Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 12:26:44 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87y5tglrcb.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <6ED011D5-E185-44C6-BB31-A445A4E5F83A@gmail.com> <87wr976otx.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ipkq6yy5.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87boqi6tzz.fsf@linux-hvfx.site> <87ehve3ul8.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87lipl22xm.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87boqh20ha.fsf@lifelogs.com> <871urc46c9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <739bsoysp.fsf@news.eternal-september.org> <87ty47r5yt.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k452p5u3.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87liphne9e.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <83vcokerap.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1326130058 24254 80.91.229.12 (9 Jan 2012 17:27:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 17:27:38 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 09 18:27:32 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RkJ0N-0005SD-3Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2012 18:27:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51576 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RkJ0M-0000k7-HA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2012 12:27:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:60337) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RkJ0G-0000jG-Ub for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2012 12:27:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RkJ0C-0000Ym-1K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2012 12:27:24 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:35833) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RkJ0B-0000YU-Ou for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2012 12:27:20 -0500 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RkJ07-0005G3-3a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2012 18:27:15 +0100 Original-Received: from c-76-28-40-19.hsd1.vt.comcast.net ([76.28.40.19]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 09 Jan 2012 18:27:15 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by c-76-28-40-19.hsd1.vt.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 09 Jan 2012 18:27:15 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 49 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-76-28-40-19.hsd1.vt.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.90 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:P+X1OiOyAGIM0TkevVmFxc0dZOI= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147521 Archived-At: On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 19:09:34 +0200 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Ted Zlatanov >> Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 09:26:21 -0500 >> >> I'm interested in bringing in support for the NaCl cryptographic library >> for Emacs, after 24.1 is out. There is info on NaCl here: >> >> http://nacl.cr.yp.to/index.html EZ> Why not libnettle? We already use it, albeit indirectly, because EZ> latest versions of GnuTLS depend on it. EZ> There's also libgcrypt, which is a dependency of libxml2. EZ> If the functionalities are comparable, bringing in yet another, third, EZ> dependency of the same kind doesn't make sense, IMO. The NaCl API is simplest and it seems to be really fast, that's what attracted me to it. I agree, though, that libnettle or libgcrypt may be a better choice. NaCl is not required at all. I simply didn't think of libnettle and libgcrypt. EZ> Isn't GPG built on top of a library that itself sits on top of EZ> libgcrypt? If so, it would make sense to use these libraries instead EZ> of yet another one. Unfortunately there's no way to use GPG's functionality without invoking GPG itself, so libgcrypt is no better than libnettle in this context. EZ> With each new external dependency, we (a) increase the number of EZ> external know-how needed to maintain Emacs; (b) increase the EZ> complexity of building a feature-rich Emacs on anything but the few EZ> most popular GNU/Linux systems; and (c) increase the amount of energy EZ> Emacs maintainers/contributors need to spend on external projects -- EZ> to build them regularly, participate in discussions, contribute EZ> patches, etc. EZ> I say, let's bring these dependencies and energy spent on other EZ> projects to the absolute minimum, and if we already depend on some EZ> functionality, even if it isn't the latest and the greatest, let's use EZ> it for as long as it satisfies our needs. OK, I agree. I'll look at libgcrypt and libnettle and see if they are easily exposed. Ted