From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tassilo Horn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Keybindings for Emacs with no X? Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:06:13 +0100 Message-ID: <87y5sjmxtm.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> References: <20120203205256.0538F180323@neo.msri.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328303187 28120 80.91.229.3 (3 Feb 2012 21:06:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 21:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Silvio Levy Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 03 22:06:26 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RtQKv-0007EG-I0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:06:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56646 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RtQKu-0007cj-QQ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 16:06:24 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:38498) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RtQKq-0007b5-GE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 16:06:21 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RtQKo-0005mf-BR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 16:06:20 -0500 Original-Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.27]:57817) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RtQKo-0005mO-99 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 16:06:18 -0500 Original-Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.44]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3060820EB0 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:06:17 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from frontend2.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.161]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 03 Feb 2012 16:06:17 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=smtpout; bh=tHffhf3uX1IXF5pliTqEuarSFlo=; b=MzN8xJxlWTGCDVKEoVbDihOOG2ez 062gpAI5a8oCPoxTqi1xo8y+tAhXGozFFIVkjolJxcme5o3ewqsxDBjPJJbHiXOa Gd0vlTKVBJpdLvPTe6vi8ygNT013/vhEVQDg5yT6usQQP3wHbDezOlogEfAZTXfO VGqOaHXsTPhBX2o= X-Sasl-enc: NK33dT9W+uQ0lJ3/qu0yzwgQj0NzOBTer9ohkNmWXN0N 1328303176 Original-Received: from thinkpad.tsdh.de (91-67-11-43-dynip.superkabel.de [91.67.11.43]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B2E38482521; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:06:15 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20120203205256.0538F180323@neo.msri.org> (Silvio Levy's message of "Fri, 03 Feb 2012 12:52:55 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130002 (Ma Gnus v0.2) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 66.111.4.27 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:83640 Archived-At: Silvio Levy writes: >> Yes, X11 forwarding is clearly not the way to go. But why not open >> files on the remote server using TRAMP which comes with emacs? > > In my case, the answer is that editing files is only part of what I do > remotely. I keep an ssh window open on the remote host anyway; it > makes little sense to then use a *local* invocation of emacs to open a > remote file (with the corresponding overhead of transfer protocols, > mimencode and all that jazz). Yes, I frequently keep a TRAMP dired or shell buffer open on remote hosts. In such a buffer, even completion after C-x C-f defaults to the remote directory of the dired current buffer or the shell buffers cwd. > Conceptually, too, it's cleaner if each of my (color-coded) text > windows is acting on a single host. You could use one frame per host, and also have the frames colored differently. But I don't want to evangelize anyone. I was just curious why many experienced emacs users don't use TRAMP. In my experience, it enormously matured over the last years from a slow and flaky implementation of a good idea to a highly usable and convenient tool. Bye, Tassilo