From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nix Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CL package serious deficiencies Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 00:15:42 +0000 Message-ID: <87y5se9o41.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> References: <33271707.post@talk.nabble.com> <87fwemcwlx.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <8739amb3rf.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328660154 6433 80.91.229.3 (8 Feb 2012 00:15:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 00:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: egnarts-ms , Stefan Monnier , Drew Adams , Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 08 01:15:53 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RuvCP-0002Ck-GL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 01:15:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46260 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuvCP-0006mg-0O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:15:49 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:52334) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuvCM-0006ma-Qc for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:15:47 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuvCL-0007jT-It for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:15:46 -0500 Original-Received: from icebox.esperi.org.uk ([81.187.191.129]:43437 helo=mail.esperi.org.uk) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuvCL-0007jL-7r for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:15:45 -0500 Original-Received: from esperi.org.uk (nix@spindle.srvr.nix [192.168.14.15]) by mail.esperi.org.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q180Fg35001683; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 00:15:42 GMT Original-Received: (from nix@localhost) by esperi.org.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q180FgQ9024525; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 00:15:42 GMT Emacs: (setq software-quality (/ 1 number-of-authors)) In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Wed, 8 Feb 2012 01:10:58 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) X-DCC-STAT_FI_X86_64_VIRTUAL-Metrics: spindle 1245; Body=5 Fuz1=5 Fuz2=5 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 81.187.191.129 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148335 Archived-At: On 8 Feb 2012, Lennart Borgman said: > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 00:52, Nix wrote: >> For compatibility reasons I suspect we need to put the renamed versions >> in something new ('cl-dumped', say, or 'cl-clean'), and have the old >> cl.el versions become defaliases to them. (The Emacs core's uses of cl >> can be fixed up, but cl is widely used in third-party modules, so we >> can't just drop those names.) > > But we can have the same policy as now regarding the use of the old > names for things in cl.el. Sure. One downside is that this means that the intricate code in bytecomp.el can't be removed (surely not until use of cl-clean, or whatever we call it, becomes second nature to elisp writers). I'm not sure what to do about that: it feels inelegant to have a bunch of code in the byte-compiler whose only purpose is to discriminate against one particular package, be it ever so ugly. But that's a minor thing. -- NULL && (void)