From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Francesco Mazzoli Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs and Java Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 21:57:38 +0100 Message-ID: <87y5kbngvx.wl%f@mazzo.li> References: <87har0onhj.wl%f@mazzo.li> <877grvpwyk.wl%f@mazzo.li> <83obl7u2fb.fsf@gnu.org> <874nmza61o.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1347742683 21201 80.91.229.3 (15 Sep 2012 20:58:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 20:58:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Jambunathan K To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 15 22:58:02 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TCzRB-0006F1-E2 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 22:58:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51446 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TCzR7-0006Yb-JW for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 16:57:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40692) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TCzR1-0006Pz-AS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 16:57:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TCzR0-0006JS-BT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 16:57:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-f49.google.com ([74.125.82.49]:47187) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TCzR0-0006JB-5l for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 16:57:50 -0400 Original-Received: by wgbdt14 with SMTP id dt14so306612wgb.30 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 13:57:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=Lgd6Q9+Ep8ziAsTb7LANLheD44oLJCfIW9zVreNGC7k=; b=IcOHSK9DFLnpY/wK4pO4l7wuZO7ryGQJ1tX+yxGxeIiBu9wehLlo5Gsnz5HFZePtCU TMQAwX6VzDgO2iQS9WmqZpu1nab9FSTPtUsBQgPBSmY80ClV0o46xuNlXgD1wCxJ/bzT g3E8vVWYBRv2vHdYfX6lkHqtx2sPq26ZoEpkEAI+WrapVYtq3JEP67ot01D+zUIsBUzl Dt1ifshEA4S+SzBjEhPsaBKLph6RMSZbsODhqPysVwAuaHUfkox3QD8hNBfru146oU1n PDqM2sWseCurDKXB8E/OTPXzSNcRi9pRiFEjp6VJ744ODA8JZw19QSyGeZeA04Viq0u+ M3Fw== Original-Received: by 10.180.103.4 with SMTP id fs4mr6481226wib.16.1347742668310; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 13:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from stringer.mazzo.li (host86-133-198-78.range86-133.btcentralplus.com. [86.133.198.78]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dp8sm10712607wib.3.2012.09.15.13.57.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 15 Sep 2012 13:57:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <874nmza61o.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?UTF-8?B?R29qxY0=?=) APEL/10.8 Emacs/23.3 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmyIOsl51Oy6QvF5hPtGuyCs/wy2hvu+0lCXuV6weeDnyJMXH1I6zW+4ymJ2V0pxI12D4aU X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 74.125.82.49 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:86800 Archived-At: At Sat, 15 Sep 2012 16:47:55 +0530, Jambunathan K wrote: > There is also a sense of entitlement that is exhibited by users. It is > surprising to find this attitude even among people who are NOT NEW to FLOSS or > it's mailing lists. I'm not sure if you're referring to me, I don't feel entitled to anything, but I'm genuinely surprised that a language like Java is so poorly supported in Emacs, and I'd like to get to a situation where programming in Java in Emacs is a bit better. I didn't read the rest of the email because it looked liked like a boring rant. ...and yes, I am a FSF member :). -- Francesco * Often in error, never in doubt