From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jambunathan K Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: don't show the $-bar that indicates text before and/or after the window view, horizontally Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 23:50:40 +0530 Message-ID: <87y58ulcw7.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87ehap9mam.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87k3kfx4sh.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <51f00beb$0$2060$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <87wqof27ae.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <871a4299-aefc-4982-b90f-ef3f4d3b2176@googlegroups.com> <87ppu7qdo2.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87iozytw2t.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1374776362 24332 80.91.229.3 (25 Jul 2013 18:19:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 18:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 25 20:19:25 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V2Q8K-0007jL-IE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 20:19:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37668 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V2Q8K-0005ah-00 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 14:19:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39419) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V2Q86-0005Vm-K1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 14:19:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V2Q85-0004MV-43 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 14:19:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x233.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::233]:39948) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V2Q84-0004L9-Qh for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 14:19:09 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pa0-f51.google.com with SMTP id lf11so2315812pab.24 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 11:19:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jD1kwdt+Q7aD6LQIIYwB6tm/6ULfNcJdfamGZVP4tx8=; b=zurl5y5wF/T028ikhJPl75hGFCfpzq6C+v1+wcUjDBaNyXiJilXmu36KYMcn3QFVg0 ro+Rp753Jafu0fc2X54QBLARK3JgJFkerI4VMe+U5COjCDx8XonSXTPjWs8qwT4bknpA 0GBe589XgQuZM7eDSGjmeFyIbHphLiaTb23dbkv9PyChVRRNpt8WQNIdb6lPus7C5bL9 qUjvdi4YwYAEKh/u9xWXbQ7vvE87SnZqSVoPimTGQkDWCBDWin8u9PY9ZjAbR6Aq08/v hIf8zADHwEbTXMdaTenBwZ4B1l2zYB9JJheMiLuh3j8jrlzdZqsvibCehCD8DEw7i0iL yU4g== X-Received: by 10.68.235.9 with SMTP id ui9mr49854337pbc.85.1374776347923; Thu, 25 Jul 2013 11:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.244.225.173]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w8sm23278211paj.4.2013.07.25.11.19.02 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 25 Jul 2013 11:19:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87iozytw2t.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> (Emanuel Berg's message of "Thu, 25 Jul 2013 18:59:06 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::233 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:92416 Archived-At: Emanuel One does not have to be a Technologist to use or be proficient with Emacs. This is what RMS has to say ,---- http://www.gnu.org/gnu/rms-lisp.html | | It was Bernie Greenberg, who discovered .... He wrote a version of Emacs | in Multics MacLisp, and he wrote his commands in MacLisp in a | straightforward fashion. The editor itself was written entirely in | Lisp. Multics Emacs proved to be a great success =E2=80=94 programming new | editing commands was so convenient that even the secretaries in his | office started learning how to use it. They used a manual someone had | written which showed how to extend Emacs, but didn't say it was a | programming. So the secretaries, who believed they couldn't do | programming, weren't scared off. They read the manual, discovered they | could do useful things and they learned to program | `---- Remember he is talking about secretaries in early days of computing learning Emacs and learning programming in the process. I am sure secretaries had no CS degrees and more importantly they belonged to a period when computers were not common place and were quite the cutting edge. I just laugh when young kids in this day of Google complain that Emacs is primitive and is difficult to learn. I consider it a joke.=20=20 That you have to be super-human to learn and use Emacs is more of a myth and in reality has no truth to it. We can learn a lot from these secretaries and each other... > Like I said, I don't consider that advanced,=20 Whatever I don't know is advanced for me. For example, what sounds like a basic move in kick boxing to you would be advanced for me. This is because I know nothing about kick boxing. By same token, fringe-mode is advanced for me. Because I never knew fringe-mode when this conversation began. > and besides I read every book on Emacs I have gotten hold of, plus > every Emacs chapter in every general Linux book I ever saw. To assume > I didn't read anything is in itself an insult, and incorrect at that. Books on Emacs are old. They should be lagging behind on quite a good amount of stuff. I learn a lot by listening to conversation here. For example, I learnt about fringe-mode as part of this thread. One commmand that I frequently use is this, C-h d something Another thing that I use is, C-h r i something C-h r I something M-x customize-group RET something RET I also look at the source code=20 C-h f fringe-mode and read the help buffer. I click on the file and also all the hyperlinks to see what all is there to learn about fringe-mode, for example. You can add the following to your .emacs. (find-function-setup-keys) C-x F fringe-mode=20 C-x V fringe-bitmaps will take you directly to the source code.=20=20 I look at the comments in the source file to see what the author "says" about his creation. ---------------------------------------------------------------- It all boils down to how will you pick up on something that is not documented in the books. Read the manual. Look up the documentation. Peek in to Emacs by setting a break point. Have conversation with others who are familiar with internals etc. Most importantly one learns by imitation, by just going through the motions, without thinking too much about motions themselves. Yes, you are spot on how to learn the punches ... Sometimes, I try to answer someone because I myself don't know how it is done. In the very process I have hit upon gold numerous times. If you aspire to become a Technologist, there is no end to the road. ---------------------------------------------------------------- One thing I will offer as suggestion is to stick to the theme of the post. The GNU Emacs Help forum is about conversation about Emacs. Here the conversation shouldn't about Emanuel, Eli, Drew, Juanama, Rustom or even RMS. The conversation should be about Emacs and nothing else. So you should talk less about yourself. For example, there is no need for us to know that you are a Tech enthusiast. What we want to know is that you are an Emacs user and you have experience and insight to share. ----------------------------------------------------------------