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From: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn@gnu.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs will never be a WYSIWYG-editor and should not try to
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 16:01:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y54d3ku0.fsf@zigzag.favinet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2013-11-24T11-44-42@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> (Karl Voit's message of "Sun, 24 Nov 2013 12:11:53 +0100")

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() Karl Voit <devnull@Karl-Voit.at>
() Sun, 24 Nov 2013 12:11:53 +0100

   I do claim that you can not think of turning GNU/Emacs in a WYSIWYG
   text processing machine without multi-threading.

Emacs provides concurrency via child processes.  I don't think that
model is incompatible w/ adding features to support a "WYSIWYG text
processing machine".  So, no, it is not true that i cannot think so.

To support the argument in the subject line, you might say instead that
Emacs has traditionally leaned very far from exploiting the features
that allow persisting to disk of in-memory-user-visible representations
of text, to crown some file format as "native".

That is, no one has really pushed the limits (played *hard*) with
‘write-region-annotate-functions’ and faces, together, and furthermore
championed any particular conglomeration of conventions as a packaged
solution.

You might argue that because this has not happened (and due also to
other technical and social factors), it will never happen.  And you'd be
right, up until the moment Someone does indeed step up and just do it,
bugs in teeth be damned (i equate playing *hard* to riding a motorcycle
very fast, w/ nothing protecting the rider's ear-to-ear grin from the
onslaught of wind and destiny -- a memory i wouldn't mind reliving)...

-- 
Thien-Thi Nguyen
   GPG key: 4C807502
   (if you're human and you know it)
      read my lisp: (responsep (questions 'technical)
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  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-24 15:01 UTC|newest]

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2013-11-17  7:28 Emacs as word processor Richard Stallman
2013-11-17  8:18 ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-18 18:44   ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-18 22:12     ` Rasmus
2013-11-19  6:02       ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-19  8:01         ` joakim
2013-11-19 23:42           ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-20  6:54             ` joakim
2013-11-20 18:01               ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-23  6:07               ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-19 10:57         ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-19 12:20           ` Thorsten Jolitz
2013-11-19 14:35             ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-19 13:28         ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2013-11-20 18:35           ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-26  8:38     ` Tom
2013-11-26 15:58       ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-26 23:08         ` Bastien
2013-11-26 23:26           ` Lennart Borgman
2013-12-15 16:16         ` Steinar Bang
2013-11-17 11:16 ` Daniel Colascione
2013-11-17 13:02   ` Nic Ferrier
2013-11-17 13:55     ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-17 14:15       ` Juergen Fenn
2013-11-17 18:57         ` chad
2013-11-18  4:20   ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-18  5:06     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
     [not found]       ` <"<l6dsng$6h4$1"@ger.gmane.org>
     [not found]         ` <"<87mwl04w3k.fsf"@zigzag.favinet>
     [not found]       ` <l6dsng$6h4$1"@ger.gmane.org>
     [not found]         ` <87mwl04w3k.fsf"@zigzag.favinet>
2013-11-18 18:44       ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-18 19:42         ` Sean Sieger
2013-11-18 19:46           ` Sean Sieger
2013-11-19  6:01           ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-19  7:08             ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-18 20:19         ` Allen S. Rout
2013-11-19  6:02           ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-19  8:46             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-11-19  9:39               ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-19 11:21               ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-19 14:35               ` Allen S. Rout
2013-11-19 15:54                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-11-20 18:35                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-21 15:25                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-11-21 16:18                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-21 21:27                       ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-21 22:03                         ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-22  0:51                         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-11-22  6:37                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-22 21:06                             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-11-22 15:04                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22 15:26                             ` Davis Herring
2013-11-22 16:06                               ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-22 17:56                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22 19:01                                 ` John Yates
2013-11-22 21:17                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                     ` <CAJnXXoi2biZ0uOAB9s-0Y5=9EujpCV4a=CemR-K+wHeJVSB51A@mail.gmail.com>
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2013-11-23 15:13                                         ` John Yates
2013-11-23 15:24                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-23 16:43                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-23 17:52                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-23 21:12                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-25 17:51                                             ` John Yates
2013-11-25 18:02                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-25 18:40                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-25 18:54                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-25 18:52                                               ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-26  7:26                                                 ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-22 21:06                             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-11-22 21:38                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22 22:01                                 ` John Yates
2013-11-22 22:56                                   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-11-23  7:55                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22 22:53                                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-11-23  8:22                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-23 13:42                                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-11-24  8:13                                       ` PJ Weisberg
2013-11-24 17:44                                         ` Drew Adams
2013-11-25 20:42                                     ` Allen S. Rout
2013-11-25 21:15                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-25 21:21                                         ` Allen S. Rout
2013-11-25 21:54                                         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
     [not found]                     ` <<877gc14vzs.fsf@zigzag.favinet>
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2013-11-21 22:12                         ` Drew Adams
2013-11-22  7:34                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22 13:56                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-22 14:48                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22 14:50                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-22 15:39                                 ` Yuri Khan
2013-11-22 16:07                                   ` John Yates
2013-11-23  6:06                                     ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-23  8:07                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-23 21:12                                         ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-24  4:53                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-24 18:37                                             ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-24 20:21                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-24 20:52                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-24 21:06                                                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-11-24 21:10                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-25  2:15                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-25  3:55                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-25  5:20                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-25 17:39                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-26  2:35                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-26  3:58                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-26  7:05                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-26 15:34                                                                   ` John Yates
2013-11-26 16:57                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-26 18:47                                                                       ` John Yates
2013-11-26 15:04                                                               ` Drew Adams
2013-11-26 19:51                                                                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-11-26 20:36                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2013-11-26 19:48                                                               ` Emacs as word processor / Text Properties Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-11-27  2:35                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-27 22:26                                                                 ` T.V. Raman
2013-11-27 23:01                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2013-11-27 23:06                                                                     ` T.V. Raman
2013-11-27 23:48                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2013-11-28  0:50                                                                         ` T.V. Raman
2013-11-28  1:27                                                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-28  4:04                                                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-28  6:03                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2013-11-28  7:13                                                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-28  7:34                                                                                 ` Bastien
2013-11-28  8:53                                                                                   ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-29  8:44                                                                           ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-29  8:49                                                                             ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-29  8:52                                                                               ` Bastien
2013-11-29  9:01                                                                                 ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-29  9:05                                                                                   ` Bastien
2013-11-29  9:10                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-29  9:51                                                                               ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-29 11:43                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-29 13:42                                                                                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-29 14:25                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-29 16:47                                                                                       ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-29 19:38                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-29 14:18                                                                                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-29 15:22                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-29 10:06                                                                             ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-29  6:50                                                                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-30  1:09                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2013-12-02 20:04                                                               ` Emacs as word processor Hendrik Boom
2013-11-25  3:06                                                   ` Yuri Khan
2013-11-26  0:04                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-22 17:58                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-23  0:00                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-23  6:06                               ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-23  6:05                             ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-23  6:05                           ` Richard Stallman
2013-12-15 16:39                     ` Steinar Bang
2013-12-16 17:19                       ` Richard Stallman
2013-12-16 18:02                         ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-16 18:38                         ` Allen S. Rout
2013-12-17 10:52                           ` Richard Stallman
2013-12-17 11:39                             ` Steinar Bang
2013-12-16 19:10                         ` Steinar Bang
2013-12-17 10:52                           ` Richard Stallman
2013-12-16 20:37                         ` Juan M. Gonzalez
2013-12-17 10:53                           ` Richard Stallman
2013-12-17 11:41                             ` Steinar Bang
2013-12-17 11:48                             ` Achim Gratz
2013-12-17 12:22                               ` Steinar Bang
2013-12-17 21:06                               ` Richard Stallman
2013-12-19  7:28                                 ` Bastien
2013-12-19 18:23                                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-12-19 18:45                                     ` Bastien
2013-12-19 23:24                                   ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-11-20 18:35                 ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-21  6:02                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-21 14:34                     ` Allen S. Rout
2013-11-21 21:16                       ` Tom
2013-11-22  6:54                         ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-22  7:22                           ` Ivan Andrus
2013-11-22 13:26                       ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2013-11-22  6:54                     ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-20 18:35               ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-20 18:53                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-21  8:00                   ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-21 16:21                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-21 18:34                       ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-21 19:06                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22  7:28                           ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-21  9:15                   ` Bastien
2013-11-21  9:22                     ` Bastien
2013-11-21 16:26                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-21 17:43                       ` Bastien
2013-11-22 10:18                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22 20:44                         ` Thorsten Jolitz
2013-11-22  6:54                     ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-22  7:48                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22  7:52                         ` Bastien
2013-11-22 11:36                       ` Rasmus
2013-11-19  8:04         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-19 23:42           ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-19  9:02         ` Christoph
2013-11-19 19:22           ` chad
2013-11-20 18:35             ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-18 13:59     ` Rasmus
2013-11-17 15:27 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-18 17:26 ` Christopher Allan Webber
2013-11-18 17:31   ` Tom Tromey
2013-11-19  9:20     ` Jambunathan K
2013-11-19  6:01   ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-19  7:44     ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-19 13:32     ` Jay Belanger
2013-11-19 15:16     ` Lennart Borgman
2013-11-20  1:50     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-11-20 18:35       ` Richard Stallman
2013-12-15 17:28     ` Steinar Bang
2013-12-15 18:18       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-16  0:17         ` T.V. Raman
2013-12-16 10:20           ` Juan M. Gonzalez
2013-11-19  6:14   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-22 16:19 ` Karl Voit
2013-11-22 18:18   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-24 11:11     ` Emacs will never be a WYSIWYG-editor and should not try to (was: Emacs as word processor) Karl Voit
2013-11-24 15:01       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen [this message]
2013-11-24 16:53       ` Emacs will never be a WYSIWYG-editor and should not try to Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-24 17:27         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-11-25 12:24         ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-26  7:01           ` Bastien
2013-11-26  9:10             ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-26  9:15               ` Bastien
2013-11-26  9:34                 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-26  9:34                   ` Bastien
2013-11-26 15:58               ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-26 18:28                 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-26 21:45                   ` Achim Gratz
2013-11-27  7:44                     ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-26 15:58             ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-26 21:33               ` Achim Gratz
2013-11-24 18:36       ` Emacs will never be a WYSIWYG-editor and should not try to (was: Emacs as word processor) Richard Stallman
2013-11-23  6:06   ` Emacs as word processor Richard Stallman
2013-12-02 19:30 ` Hendrik Boom
2013-12-03  6:24   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-12-03  9:54   ` René Kyllingstad
2013-12-03 11:36     ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-03 16:32       ` T.V. Raman
2013-12-03 17:45         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-08 17:08       ` Andreas Röhler
2013-12-13 22:28 ` Juan M. Gonzalez
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