From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: participation & contribution [was: Latest changes with lisp/uni-*.el and leim/quail] Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 02:39:12 +0900 Message-ID: <87y544bhdr.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <83txew8m9v.fsf@gnu.org> <837gbr8uxa.fsf@gnu.org> <87wqjqts1b.fsf@gmail.com> <83zjom5ls5.fsf@gnu.org> <878uw5o2p1.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385919588 17224 80.91.229.3 (1 Dec 2013 17:39:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 17:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , dmoncayo@gmail.com, Jambunathan K , Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Karl Fogel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 01 18:39:53 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VnAzo-0008Ii-Sq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 18:39:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60608 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VnAzo-0007Xk-EX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 12:39:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48016) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VnAze-0007Lv-Ik for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 12:39:49 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VnAzX-0001dK-8v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 12:39:42 -0500 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:35354) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VnAzO-0001Z6-AQ; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 12:39:26 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5949709A3; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 02:39:12 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 931131A5205; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 02:39:12 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <878uw5o2p1.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" 182d01410b8d XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165988 Archived-At: Karl Fogel writes: Good Lord, Karl, up to now it's been the usual suspects. But what are *you* doing joining the pig-pile on these guys? You know how much support work they do for this project. I can only suppose you didn't notice they in particular have been mentoring the Hon. D. Moncayo. I've never understood why merely submitting a patch is considered an *important* contribution. A contribution, yes, but as often as not patches from new developers cost a lot more effort from the core developers than is provided by the contributor himself. That has been the case here. > What he did is normal & seen in lots of projects Really? What he did was to get commit privileges, and then repeatedly refuse to use them because the VCS *he* chose is too much trouble to learn how to use. That's "normal"? > He (and others) objected to him being *criticized*. It's fine to > choose not to commit his patch; it's not fine to flame him for > having different priorities from some other developers. The objections are misguided. His behavior is rude and deserves criticism. The circumstances explain, even if they don't justify, the public flames. Although the words flamed his priorities, the *reason* he was flamed is that he is abusing the hospitality of Eli (and Glenn), who spent a fair amount of effort mentoring him, without which there would be no committable patch. He repaid that effort by refusing to take on a minor chore (committing his own patch), and justified that by explaining how valuable his time is to him.