From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs completion matches selection UI Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:44:39 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87y53ghe94.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> References: <87fvqtg02v.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <8761rkaa5e.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87txf0390n.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87y53komex.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87haa8moh6.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <874n67n450.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87eh5bkxca.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87d2kuzzqj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87a9fylusq.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <878uvizrwz.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8761qmkyn1.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <87zjnyxdpb.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k3f2j7xv.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <2518D79A-B9E4-45DF-A403-8330145DFD17@gmail.com> <87eh58j0x3.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <878uvg4ul2.fsf@yandex.ru> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1387478737 3066 80.91.229.3 (19 Dec 2013 18:45:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 18:45:37 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 19 19:45:43 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VtibL-00025V-CN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:45:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45847 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VtibL-0002Zu-11 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:45:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45840) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VtiZN-0007aT-5y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:43:42 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VtiZG-0002Av-JQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:43:37 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:37354) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VtiZG-0002Ap-Cm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 13:43:30 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VtiZE-0000ab-SM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:43:28 +0100 Original-Received: from c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([98.229.61.72]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:43:28 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:43:28 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 37 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-98-229-61-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ghIrTuVptqFYdqdb6H+oJW4CS2k= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:166619 Archived-At: On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 19:30:17 +0200 Dmitry Gutov wrote: DG> Ted Zlatanov writes: SM> Indeed, I do hope to bring something like company-mode into Emacs, maybe SM> even making it into the default in-buffer completion UI. SM> But the UI based on *Completions* is likely to stick around for a long SM> time, so it's important to integrate the two at some level. >> >> I see company-mode and others as hacks to get around the lack of a true >> completion popup. I really think `widget-choose' is the direction we >> should be going in graphical mode, and if *Completions* stays it should >> be only in text-mode. DG> You seem to be conflating company-mode with its overlay-based popup DG> feature, which is a small part of it. Sorry, I don't mean to diminish the rest of the company-mode code. I meant specifically the part of it relevant to the discussion here. DG> Why don't you start with implementing a programmable graphical popup DG> that can display a list of options near any position in Emacs's window, DG> that completion engines can integrate with without losing the advantages DG> of the current behavior? Because I don't want, after spending the time and effort, to be told it wasn't the desired direction. That truly sucks. I'm choosing, instead, to ask Stefan to state that direction explicitly. I also don't have good toolkit knowledge like some of the other Emacs contributors, but that's not fatal. Finally, this is a big task and I'd probably start by making a team of developers who are willing to assign copyright, interested in improving the current situation, implementing the desired solution, testing it, integrating it with helm, company-mode, etc. So ideally I'd get people like you and the other popup-autocomplete-helm-company-like developers on board. Ted