From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: indirect-buffers and text-properties Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 16:12:34 +0000 Message-ID: <87y51wm8p9.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> References: <87fvo5r6uk.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <8761p1r214.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87txclpj72.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87a9eccwc6.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1391185308 17986 80.91.229.3 (31 Jan 2014 16:21:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 16:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 31 17:21:55 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W9Gqm-00028R-G0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 17:21:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56797 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W9Gql-0006kM-Of for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 11:21:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42184) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W9Gi0-0003Pq-LT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 11:12:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W9Ghv-00021Z-Q4 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 11:12:48 -0500 Original-Received: from cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.234.22]:52932) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W9Ghv-0001zb-KY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 11:12:43 -0500 Original-Received: from smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk ([10.8.233.129]) by cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1W9Ghr-0001Th-D6; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 16:12:39 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost (jangai.ncl.ac.uk [10.66.67.223]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id s0VGCYrA014783 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 31 Jan 2014 16:12:34 GMT In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:35:04 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 128.240.234.22 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:95837 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> Having a buffer automatically do this when a new window is displayed >> might be difficult; I think it would need an awful lot of DWIM >> semantics, and I am not sure what these would be. > > Stashing point when undisplaying a buffer can be done automatically > without harming anyone. The DWIM semantics would only show up if/when > the user wants to use one of those stashed points. > >> Indeed. I shall look at these solutions before I go further; but >> fiddling with major modes to make them work together is also >> a costly exercise. > > I know, but that's what needs to happen: someone should take the > experience of mmm-mode, mumamo, and friends and come up with some set of > "rules" which major modes should follow so that these things can > work reliably. > > Once that's done, it's only a matter of going around and adapting the > existing major modes to those rules, and providing some infrastructure > so that new major modes can follow those rules easily. I'd agree. I need to get a clear idea of how these modes work. I am not even sure what "two modes in one buffer" looks like. Phil