From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jorge Araya Navarro Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: where is alt.religion.emacs? Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 12:35:54 -0600 Message-ID: <87y4r9isg7.fsf@deshackra.com> References: <87lhnntl72.fsf@vsl28t2g.ww011> <87lhncyzxd.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1416249497 21341 80.91.229.3 (17 Nov 2014 18:38:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 18:38:17 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 17 19:38:11 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XqRBh-0007Xl-Fh for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 19:38:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49674 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XqRBh-00057A-2U for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 13:38:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38994) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XqRBR-00053D-4k for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 13:37:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XqRBL-00050G-TF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 13:37:53 -0500 Original-Received: from shared.dohost.biz ([188.165.91.212]:51532 helo=shared.dohost.us) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XqRBL-000502-NH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 13:37:47 -0500 Original-Received: from [186.32.204.169] (port=60760 helo=abril.local.local) by shared.dohost.us with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1XqRBJ-0006lD-Rn for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 18:37:46 +0000 In-reply-to: <87lhncyzxd.fsf@debian.uxu> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - shared.dohost.us X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - deshackra.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: shared.dohost.us: authenticated_id: elcorreo@deshackra.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 188.165.91.212 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101001 Archived-At: Well, I often get surprised when the communication tone of some tech people isn't ice-cold! I can think on a couple of developers that use a friendly tone, right now. Emanuel Berg writes: > dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de (H. Dieter Wilhelm) > writes: > >>> alt.religion.emacs is about the Church of Emacs, >>> right? >> >> From the posts I read so far I think this mailing >> list was often transcending even this encompassing >> subject. ;-) > > Ha ha ha :) > > But some technology people are religious in style. And > I say that in the negative, fundamentalistic sense. It > has come to the point when the technology isn't the > main thing anymore, but rather the set of rules - the > "right way" to do things... just as modern-day > fundamentalists chant their slogans (who cares about > God anymore when there are a zillion rules to obey at > all times, and infidels to kill). > > Here, when we argue back-and-forth on lists and > newsgroups such as this there is often a tone which is > ice-cold and (seemingly) without any human touch. > While insults and obscene language should never be > made a virtue, perhaps newcomers should be made aware > somehow that the albeit insult-free but still ice-cold > tone, it is just the tone that a bunch of tech-people > use to communicate. Don't worry about it. > > I say this because when I use the same tone here at > other places, there is always a big holaballo and that > has surprised me numerous times. People are just not > used to it. -- Pax et bonum. Jorge Araya Navarro. ES: Diseñador Publicitario, Programador Python y colaborador en Parabola GNU/Linux-libre EN: Ads Designer, Python programmer and contributor Parabola GNU/Linux-libre EO: Anonco grafikisto, Pitino programalingvo programisto kai kontribuanto en Parabola GNU/Linux-libre https://es.gravatar.com/shackra