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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
Cc: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Ergonomics and neurology for interface designers
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:15:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y4qz2wol.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141125132210.GA10466@thyrsus.com> (Eric S. Raymond's message of "Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:22:11 -0500")

"Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com> writes:

> What humans cannot do is take sensory input, process, and then *react*
> faster than spinal-reflex-arc time!  Raskin's basic discovery was that
> if you throw a mockup of your application start controls on the
> display, you have a minimum of 0.17 seconds to finish initializing the
> real controls before a human is capable of noticing and then trying to
> do something.

Well, but working with an editor in many ways is similar to typing on a
typewriter: you don't usually wait for an action initiated by a keypress
to complete before typing the next.

There are various timers in Emacs, like the one showing incomplete
command sequences or the one popping up mouse-over help, which
consciously act with a delay in the expectation that a human will
generally _not_ wait for a response by the computer before performing
his next action.

We actually had just recently a font-lock problem when scrolling with
autorepeat rates of about 30 characters per second.  You won't stop on
the dime with such rates, but one still has a chance to catch what one
is looking for.  Things like multi-file incremental search may even run
governed by the autorepeat rate.

So I don't see that we have an absolute time threshold below which
version control caused delays are irrelevant.

-- 
David Kastrup



  reply	other threads:[~2014-11-25 14:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-23 21:56 vc-state-heuristic is gone Unknown
2014-11-24  8:09 ` David Kastrup
2014-11-24  8:33   ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-11-24  9:02     ` David Kastrup
2014-11-24  9:49       ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-11-24 10:35         ` David Kastrup
2014-11-24 10:46           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-11-24 11:57             ` Michael Albinus
2014-11-24 13:03               ` Testing the new VC code Eric S. Raymond
2014-11-24 18:35                 ` Steinar Bang
2014-11-24 19:05                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-11-25  1:52                   ` Yuri Khan
2014-11-25  2:52                     ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-11-25  4:25                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-25  8:31                         ` Steinar Bang
2014-11-25  8:43                           ` Steinar Bang
2014-11-25  9:09                           ` David Kastrup
2014-11-25  9:12                             ` Steinar Bang
2014-11-25 10:03                               ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-24 19:39                 ` Michael Albinus
2014-11-25  2:50                   ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-11-25  6:44                     ` David Kastrup
2014-11-25 13:22                       ` Ergonomics and neurology for interface designers Eric S. Raymond
2014-11-25 14:15                         ` David Kastrup [this message]
2014-11-25 21:29                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-11-25 16:32                       ` Testing the new VC code Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-25 12:12                     ` Michael Albinus
2014-11-25 13:42                       ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-11-25 14:55                         ` Michael Albinus
2014-11-25 21:17                           ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-11-26 10:12                             ` Michael Albinus
2014-11-26 11:46                               ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-11-25 14:35                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-25 21:25                         ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-11-24 14:40     ` vc-state-heuristic is gone Stefan Monnier
2014-11-24 16:17 ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-24 17:52   ` Eric S. Raymond
2014-11-25 13:20     ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-24 16:17 ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-25  5:15   ` Karl Fogel
2014-11-25  5:47     ` Eric S. Raymond

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