From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Welsh Duggan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: proposal: require GnuTLS 3.1.x (previous stable) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:46:45 -0500 Message-ID: <87y4qyula2.fsf@maru2.md5i.com> References: <87389762xj.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <87h9xnqfdl.fsf@violet.siamics.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417009625 19563 80.91.229.3 (26 Nov 2014 13:47:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 13:47:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: peder@news.klingenberg.no (Peder O. Klingenberg) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 26 14:46:59 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xtcvq-0007BA-Qb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 14:46:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33970 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xtcvq-0004Qp-FE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:46:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39522) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xtcvj-0004Qh-Ah for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:46:55 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xtcve-0007rT-TX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:46:51 -0500 Original-Received: from md5i.com ([75.151.244.229]:50830 helo=maru2) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xtcve-0007rP-Nc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:46:46 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=md5i.com; s=dkim; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=JX5tcWL2q7cvz3vvwGhl+RRBzcJ8S1qpL9xszWNHkdo=; b=MqPp1mkN/NItvH0OPXx566rQHKjPB4VWRvBaOh9yz+h9lUGYdHssgqv76w3wh44jQUP8r/vjT5erd+KmCWo1JJ9mcsd6Yk1pPpk0Snb7nPLrnPLR6yKezP3BpcvZ7Gfx; Original-Received: from md5i by maru2 with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Xtcvd-0000Vv-Fd; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 08:46:45 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Peder O. Klingenberg's message of "Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:14:12 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 75.151.244.229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:178297 Archived-At: peder@news.klingenberg.no (Peder O. Klingenberg) writes: > On Tue, Nov 25 2014 at 18:55, Ivan Shmakov wrote: > >> Yes, although I=92d rather question the necessity of building >> Emacs =91master=92 on an LTS GNU/Linux system. If the intent is to >> use the last decade=92s versions of Libc and Coreutils, =96 why >> Emacs has to be newer than that? > > Because features. My desktop machine runs Kubuntu 10.04 still, because > it mostly does what I need without needing my attention all the time, it > is a stable platform I can use to get work done. > > There is no conscious desire to run old software for nostalgias sake, > more a lack of desire to upgrade willy-nilly with the associated > breakage-fixing and retraining of muscle memory because some dimwits > decided to reinvent everything badly. Moreover, not everyone has complete control over their desktop. At work we have RHEL6. I build Emacs for my own use. I could build gnutls as well, but my (recent) experience of that is hellish. gnutls requires nettle and gmp. I build nettle, and then find out that gnutls doesn't support the latest nettle. So I grab an older nettle and build that. Then it complains about HOGWEED. Oh, libgmp needs to be installed _before_ nettle is built to get HOGWEED. I wish that had been mentioned. At this point, I give up for the day because I have to get real work done. --=20 Michael Welsh Duggan (md5i@md5i.com)