From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 00:13:36 +0900 Message-ID: <87y4j9w34v.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> <5581C29E.1030101@yandex.ru> <87r3p9fxm2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k2v0fiji.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20150619090225.GA2743@acm.fritz.box> <87fv5kfrfa.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83twtzhi9g.fsf@gnu.org> <877fqvfvby.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83fv5jh8ls.fsf@gnu.org> <874mlzf71d.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <558945C2.2010203@yandex.ru> <87h9pyxwrj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <55897E75.10808@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435158846 13668 80.91.229.3 (24 Jun 2015 15:14:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 15:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 24 17:13:58 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7mN3-0004iF-VO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:13:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51212 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7mN3-0006UV-DK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 11:13:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51296) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7mMz-0006U9-De for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 11:13:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7mMw-0008IZ-7W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 11:13:45 -0400 Original-Received: from shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.161]:34886) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7mMv-0008Hp-UM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 11:13:42 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by shako.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6A471C39A0; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 00:13:36 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A540A1A2CA2; Thu, 25 Jun 2015 00:13:36 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <55897E75.10808@yandex.ru> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" ffb5abc8dc4e XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.161 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187477 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 06/23/2015 06:36 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Maybe. But you seem to be arguing in favor of a general notion (to keep > experimenting), Yes. See Eli's responses in a separate subthread as well. > whereas I was under impression that this thread is about a specific > issue. Some subthreads are, yes. Others are not, they take the change that inspired this thread as a specific example of a more general issue. > It's a good recipe to continue talking past each other. It is, but people write about what they write about. It's not just me. > > > We're not even competing with other editors here. > > > > Exactly. Emacs isn't competing. It's doing what's right for Emacs. > > Exactly... not what I meant by the above sentence? You tell me. You state a fact, I agree that it's true, "exactly". I take the lack of competition as an opportunity to do what's right, you take it as a reason to stick to the status quo. Opinions differ.