From: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer)
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Contributors and maintainers
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 18:05:33 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y4ewdx6a.fsf@T420.taylan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83oafse1yg.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 21 Oct 2015 17:22:15 +0300")
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: taylanbayirli@gmail.com (Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer)
>> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 14:03:33 +0200
>> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
>>
>> I have to disagree, and offer an alternative analysis by someone who's
>> not me and is quite a bit better at social issues than me.
>>
>> The usual approach on emacs-devel when dealing with something they
>> don't like is to come up with random arguments, ignore
>> counter-arguments, and move goalposts around because getting
>> convinced by arguments is not something you do on the internet.
>>
>> From the glimpse I took, that's roughly what's happening there:
>> They don't like the idea because gut feeling, so they nitpick
>> irrelevancies and go off on tangents to support their gut feeling.
>
> I don't think things happen like that around here. But the
> description is so vague and devoid of any specific details that it's
> easy to misinterpret. I would first and foremost suspect some
> misunderstanding. After all, for most people here, myself included,
> English is not their first language, so nuances could sometimes lead
> to misunderstandings. Can we have the person(s) who came up with this
> description please speak up and point to specific discussions and
> specific messages that could lead to such conclusions, and perhaps
> suggest ways for changing the dynamics here away of that?
I'm very sure they don't want to deal with this.
I can ask them if you want absolute confirmation.
>> How about, *first* of all, the latest version of my ELPA patch gets
>> applied, so there is an *immediate* benefit to Emacs users. Claiming
>> that a single line of duplicated code outweighs that would be absurd.
>>
>> After that, emacs-devel can make whatever change they want to the
>> package.
>
> Is that what this is about? that you don't want to make that change
> yourself, but agree to someone else making it? If so, then I think we
> will gladly provide that service, and there are no more obstacles for
> admitting the package.
No it's not "what this is about." Given the current lack of safety
guarantees in shell-quote-argument, I actively do not want it to be used
in shqq, or any other place where it may receive data from an untrusted
input source.
(The patch I provided for shell-quote-argument changes that, since it
formalizes safety guarantees at least in documentation. Although, a
stricter solution like comprehensive unit tests would in turn be much
better than my mere documentation patch.)
But since we're in a deadlock regarding that topic, I say take my code
as is, first of all.
Then, having read all my reasoning and attempts to convince that
shell-quote-argument should not be used as is in places where it may
receive data from untrusted input sources, you're free to make any
changes to it. I gave my suggestion on what change to avoid; if that
suggestion is disagreed with despite my best efforts to convince of it,
then obviously there's nothing more I can do.
Long story short, it's not that I "don't want to make that change
myself, but agree to someone else making it"; it's rather so that I
"disapprove of the change, thus won't do it myself, but ran out of
energy in trying to convince others not to do it."
One way or another, please as a first step apply the patch, since that
has clearly positive utility. Maybe emacs-devel should indeed follow
Stefan's advice to merge first, then fix, unless someone insists that
there is a *serious* problem. That might be a very good policy for
emacs-devel. (With an obvious exception for a few initial feedback
round-trips.)
Taylan
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2015-10-17 16:33 [PATCH] Add shell-quasiquote Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 16:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 17:14 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 17:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 18:23 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 19:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 20:28 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 20:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-17 21:25 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 21:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-17 22:00 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18 7:55 ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-18 10:07 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18 10:55 ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-18 12:59 ` Random832
2015-10-18 13:36 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18 15:06 ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-18 17:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-18 19:17 ` Random832
2015-10-18 19:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 4:32 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-19 5:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 5:19 ` Daniel Colascione
2015-10-19 5:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 8:16 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-31 17:03 ` Kai Großjohann
2015-10-31 16:50 ` Kai Großjohann
2015-10-31 19:03 ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-17 22:09 ` Random832
2015-10-17 22:45 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 20:47 ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-17 21:20 ` Random832
2015-10-17 21:35 ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-17 21:27 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 21:53 ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-17 22:22 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18 2:40 ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-18 10:03 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18 15:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-18 16:40 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-18 17:48 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-18 2:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-18 13:35 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 19:14 ` Random832
2015-10-17 19:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-17 20:43 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 21:01 ` Random832
2015-10-17 17:23 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-17 18:11 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-17 18:42 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-19 12:35 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 12:59 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-19 13:09 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 13:48 ` Random832
2015-10-19 13:53 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 15:10 ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-19 17:06 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 1:41 ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-20 7:41 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 10:16 ` Nicolas Richard
2015-10-20 15:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-20 16:41 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 16:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-20 17:32 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 17:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-20 17:58 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 18:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-20 18:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20 23:34 ` Contributors and maintainers (Was: [PATCH] Add shell-quasiquote.) John Wiegley
2015-10-21 7:29 ` Contributors and maintainers Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21 8:27 ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-10-21 8:45 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-21 12:03 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21 14:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 14:40 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-21 16:05 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer [this message]
2015-10-21 18:16 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-21 18:37 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-21 14:34 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-10-21 16:53 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-21 17:24 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21 18:49 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-21 14:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 14:36 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21 15:44 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-21 16:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 17:22 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21 17:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 19:58 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21 21:21 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-21 23:12 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 14:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 14:45 ` Jay Belanger
2015-10-21 17:05 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-21 17:46 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-21 18:12 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-21 18:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 18:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-21 18:54 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-22 5:40 ` Maintainers and contributors (was: Contributors and maintainers) John Wiegley
2015-10-22 7:20 ` Maintainers and contributors David Kastrup
2015-10-22 10:34 ` Maintainers and contributors (was: Contributors and maintainers) Artur Malabarba
2015-10-22 11:08 ` Maintainers and contributors David Kastrup
2015-10-22 11:55 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-22 12:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-22 12:32 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 15:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-22 18:27 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-22 19:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-22 23:37 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-23 0:37 ` Jay Belanger
2015-10-22 18:58 ` Jay Belanger
2015-10-21 3:25 ` [PATCH] Add shell-quasiquote Random832
2015-10-21 4:30 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-21 14:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 14:18 ` Random832
2015-10-21 14:40 ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-21 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 16:37 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-21 17:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 17:06 ` Random832
2015-10-21 17:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 18:11 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-21 18:24 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-26 12:58 ` Steinar Bang
2015-10-21 18:24 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-10-21 18:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 18:57 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-10-21 19:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 19:30 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-22 10:54 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-10-22 11:21 ` Jeff Clough
2015-10-22 12:47 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 15:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-22 15:23 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 15:51 ` Andreas Schwab
2015-10-22 13:09 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-10-22 15:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-22 15:12 ` David Kastrup
2015-11-06 23:35 ` Kai Großjohann
2015-11-07 7:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-22 15:41 ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-22 15:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-22 17:25 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-10-21 18:11 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-21 18:49 ` Random832
2015-10-21 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 19:10 ` Random832
2015-10-21 19:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 19:50 ` Random832
2015-10-22 2:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-22 7:03 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 13:41 ` Random832
2015-10-22 13:53 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 14:41 ` Random832
2015-10-22 14:50 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-22 16:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-22 15:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-01 18:39 ` Kai Großjohann
2015-11-01 20:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-01 22:34 ` Michael Albinus
2015-10-20 19:00 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 19:48 ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-10-20 20:47 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 21:08 ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-10-21 14:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-21 18:22 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-20 16:21 ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-20 17:11 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 17:22 ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-20 17:36 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 18:12 ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-20 18:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20 18:55 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-22 3:35 ` Paul Eggert
2015-10-19 13:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 13:36 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 13:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-19 13:41 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-10-19 13:43 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 13:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-19 14:09 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 15:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-19 17:08 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-19 17:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-10-19 17:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20 4:35 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-10-20 7:26 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 7:55 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-20 8:17 ` John Wiegley
2015-10-20 8:38 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 12:48 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 11:45 ` Becoming an Emacs contributor (was: [PATCH] Add shell-quasiquote.) Óscar Fuentes
2015-10-20 12:56 ` Becoming an Emacs contributor Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 16:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20 17:32 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 17:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20 17:53 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 17:53 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-20 18:44 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 19:12 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-24 17:26 ` Nix
2015-10-20 16:47 ` Becoming an Emacs contributor (was: [PATCH] Add shell-quasiquote.) Kaushal Modi
2015-10-20 8:34 ` [PATCH] Add shell-quasiquote Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 8:49 ` David Kastrup
2015-10-20 8:54 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 15:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20 16:31 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 16:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-10-20 17:28 ` Taylan Ulrich Bayırlı/Kammer
2015-10-20 18:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
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