From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:03:56 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87y45eg8xf.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <874mai4qhz.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467813916 17406 80.91.229.3 (6 Jul 2016 14:05:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 14:05:16 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 06 16:05:05 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bKnRo-0001WP-Uo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 16:05:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33693 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKnRo-0006tG-4K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:05:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59796) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKnQt-0006oQ-Nk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:04:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKnQo-0004CA-P4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:04:07 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:42764) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bKnQo-0004C1-Hf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 10:04:02 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bKnQm-0000sH-R8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 16:04:01 +0200 Original-Received: from c-98-229-60-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([98.229.60.157]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 16:04:00 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by c-98-229-60-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 06 Jul 2016 16:04:00 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 34 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-98-229-60-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:zT4pd9mMS/DLCtmvkhainXSV+fw= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205245 Archived-At: On Sun, 01 May 2016 01:38:00 +0200 Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: LI> Customize: ... LI> Perhaps it's time just to throw in the towel and reimplement it from LI> scratch? I'm talking about the user interface only, of course. The LI> `defcustom' language etc etc etc are fine as they are. LI> Perhaps we could just start generating HTML write a new interface on top LI> of shr or something? Or gtk+? I dunno. But I think it's an idea that LI> somebody who's looking for a nice little project should consider. On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 16:50:22 -0700 raman wrote: r> Given the choice, I'd prefer a customize front-end rendered via eww -- r> will work universally across X and the terminal. I agree with Lars and raman. Although eww+shr does not currently look "native" inside Emacs, that's not a big hurdle. The advantage of better layouts, better widgets across various platforms and text/GUI, and a common language are significant. I don't think it's a little project, unfortunately. LI> Dired: LI> I think the basic design is misguided. There is so much talk about LI> matching up "ls" parameters to internal stuff that it makes my head LI> swim. (Even if I'm not feverish.) C'mon. We're not barbarians. We LI> can read directories ourselves. I agree with this too. Performance issues can be resolved; less dependence on external tools is always a good thing IMHO. Ted