From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some hard numbers on licenses used by elisp packages Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 15:36:45 -0500 Message-ID: <87y3r8mh7m.fsf@floss> References: <87shi4z7ps.fsf@bernoul.li> <87zic9zuof.fsf@bernoul.li> <877ezaajme.fsf@bernoul.li> <87shhw2xuv.fsf@bernoul.li> <87a844cmgx.fsf@ernst> <874ltwbzpl.fsf@bernoul.li> Reply-To: Karl Fogel NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1501274223 26524 195.159.176.226 (28 Jul 2017 20:37:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 20:37:03 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: rms@gnu.org, Mats Lidell , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jonas Bernoulli Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 28 22:36:57 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dbC0F-0006Me-Ep for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 22:36:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49990 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dbC0J-0001R2-8j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 16:36:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53125) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dbC0D-0001Qx-F4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 16:36:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dbC09-0001lH-D6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 16:36:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-it0-x236.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::236]:38612) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dbC09-0001kC-8Q; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 16:36:49 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-it0-x236.google.com with SMTP id h199so102382114ith.1; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 13:36:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:reply-to:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=cI2TM5qXhbhOCvCAYlD88TTkLX+9iqUzcDfNTbTOHWU=; b=fXkUXdC6bXzH9o4I1QGTdD+TUL50nwGrUD7/j1KSw8TU0tTcXRaNFL8OPLfHrG7azC IwJs6HM3PMZL5Isz86I1fRamsGNVMWJtKhBJ0rjFGCjUXHfBZz2RgnQse9oafxWLLWel ja8EKXDwBGR2KZzOk4Y5SufXr/d/lzJuF+EjnSu12jIRxVMUxKOqh67i4AK7ztRQEYPw yYCLTCrCy9RkoOqhviT49aMIYyWtQXdfUeGiR3qevBff5w6dUQcaw+n9k1tPP8K56tO3 SvUHKU5mYX7OCSMC4INODBFdMadWNgRJXn6xMa96pDyv/xpVshk1uTjeaxg+j5Fe/RHA 6A4A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:reply-to :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=cI2TM5qXhbhOCvCAYlD88TTkLX+9iqUzcDfNTbTOHWU=; b=YQ8wzKJJZ40Cg7VpDi4UjAxDyIUuC7nPvZwlFoXsL5eLXab3NVlgRdOzjLbBJRUAuS nBILOi0QAckW0RJcphHLGwVFem5YS9qBeZ05pfbdZVuKgqIKmbHpGcjtdOD2cXU8zLut RujtVHWCuTkaYi/nJWsgVYiGYrnKgkvg1x2GHrsYsalLlpjypNjyknEVGJvHzvxn+apY ZZT85IybPSgtuGBr11T++vBUWpRE+0zJnD8yK+piCAiao/cmASothnsR2qbjohJDWQQd ArgJjtz1jTLDJtFSGCZELYuh9H4IFeKQ+mp7a+2TxF6W9a9bSxKvY2QY0x05XWuPNwQr jUig== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw110oyh7k9K2G6MYw+CnWWYMtzx38GSfjomz6C9olBeEMHDK8BKh/ NeD8dFgYHOQDg3y8 X-Received: by 10.36.122.70 with SMTP id a67mr11021380itc.147.1501274206863; Fri, 28 Jul 2017 13:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from floss (207-237-210-85.c3-0.grn-ubr1.chi-grn.il.cable.rcn.com. [207.237.210.85]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 77sm8804655itx.0.2017.07.28.13.36.45 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Fri, 28 Jul 2017 13:36:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <874ltwbzpl.fsf@bernoul.li> (Jonas Bernoulli's message of "Fri, 28 Jul 2017 12:52:38 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::236 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:217113 Archived-At: Jonas Bernoulli writes: >Github actively encourages users to specify the license. (Yes, they >suggest free software as well as open source licenses.) There's a difference? If you're thinking that "free software" == "copyleft" and "open source" == "non-copyleft", that's actually not the case. For example, the GPL is both a free software and an open source license, and the same is true of (say) the MIT license. This FAQ item at the OSI explains this in more detail: https://opensource.org/faq#free-software. (I believe that FAQ entry explains it in such a way that the FSF would agree with the facts & history as presented there, although perhaps not with the philosophical equivalence implied.) I completely agree with you that GitHub now actively encourages people to apply a free software license when publishing their code. GitHub does this both via UI nudges and via their public posts and comments on the topic (see https://help.github.com/articles/licensing-a-repository/ for example). -Karl