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From: Noam Postavsky <npostavs@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>,
	31946@debbugs.gnu.org, wyuenho@gmail.com
Subject: bug#31946: 27.0.50; The NSM should warn about more TLS problems
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 20:45:21 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y3f1njku.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83in65r4n9.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 26 Jun 2018 17:42:02 +0300")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
>> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 11:27:34 +0200
>> Cc: 31946@debbugs.gnu.org, Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong <wyuenho@gmail.com>
>> 
>> We could get in touch with the gnutls maintainer and ask for his input
>> and perhaps ask for API endpoints to allow us to check for these things?
>
> Yes, I think that's the right way for moving forward.

By the way, I've researched this a bit more, it seems like there is no
practical way to detect small subgroups at all, the only solution is to
move to standardized domains (the smallest of which is 2048 bits)
similar to how ECDHE uses standard curves.  This also solves the
composite prime problem, which is likely too expensive to check as well.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7919:

   Additionally, the DH parameters selected by the server may have a
   known structure that renders them secure against a small subgroup
   attack, but a client receiving an arbitrary p and g has no efficient
   way to verify that the structure of a new group is reasonable for
   use.





  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-27  0:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-23 10:38 bug#31946: 27.0.50; The NSM should warn about more TLS problems Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-24 13:43 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-26  1:23 ` Noam Postavsky
2018-06-26  4:11   ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-26  6:26     ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-26 12:44       ` Noam Postavsky
2018-06-26 14:38       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-03 15:08       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-04  1:34         ` Noam Postavsky
2018-07-08 14:20           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-08 14:21           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-08 14:22           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-08 18:34             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-08 18:50               ` Noam Postavsky
2018-07-08 20:01                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-10  2:04                   ` Noam Postavsky
2018-07-22 11:05                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-29 14:45                       ` Noam Postavsky
2018-07-08 18:36             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-08 19:20               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-07-08 14:23           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-26  9:27   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-26 14:42     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-27  0:45       ` Noam Postavsky [this message]
2018-06-27  5:09         ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-27 12:07           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-27 12:20             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-27 15:16               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-06-27 16:40                 ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-28 16:10                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-28  0:14           ` Noam Postavsky
2018-06-28 15:58             ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-28 16:15               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-28 16:42                 ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-28 17:01                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2018-06-28 18:15                     ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-29  5:21                       ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-29  5:25                         ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-30 17:28                           ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-30 20:30                             ` Noam Postavsky
2018-06-30 23:15                               ` Jimmy Yuen Ho Wong
2018-06-30 23:35                                 ` Noam Postavsky
2018-07-01 15:01                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-26  4:34 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-08-26 13:13   ` Andy Moreton
2019-08-26 16:07     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-26 17:45       ` Andy Moreton
2019-08-26 18:12         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-26 18:19           ` Andy Moreton
2019-08-26 19:36             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-26 22:56               ` Andy Moreton
2019-08-27  7:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-27 15:25                   ` Andy Moreton
2019-08-27 15:50                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-27  8:01 ` bug#31946: 27.0.50; GnuTLS still crashes on MinGW Markus Weber
2019-08-27 15:00   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-27 15:50     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-29  8:05       ` mw
2019-08-29 12:20         ` Eli Zaretskii

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