From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Brett Gilio Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#34357: Non-Emacs feeling Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2019 16:57:54 -0600 Message-ID: <87y36sy171.fsf@posteo.net> References: <5C5B6005020000A10002F8AF@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="9138"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: mu4e 1.0; emacs 26.1 Cc: 34357@debbugs.gnu.org To: Ulrich Windl Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 07 00:08:43 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1grWJ9-0002Fu-8H for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 00:08:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59713 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grWJ8-0007mU-2Z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:08:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46445) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grWIl-0007Vb-6j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 18:08:23 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grW9m-0001eE-5T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:59:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:37057) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1grW9l-0001eA-Mh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:59:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grW9l-0002hm-J3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:59:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Brett Gilio Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2019 22:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 34357 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 34357-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B34357.154949388710314 (code B ref 34357); Wed, 06 Feb 2019 22:59:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 34357) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2019 22:58:07 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36334 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grW8s-0002gI-VG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:58:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:48153) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1grW8q-0002fg-Ld for 34357@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Feb 2019 17:58:06 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED75C16005E for <34357@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 6 Feb 2019 23:57:57 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1549493878; bh=nCpnkgsDqAJKlqBgk+jyAJMMCzRgX0R3YlAcAdfs53s=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=mv0fdfdvhkEijZRaka4CUQBvNhGEoPQ5iTggS7RUSmpRfPOdGv/vIbyZXiAtaHWbl aVQzZ1v95wANQizCABHLLxk/tuv1ZD5XzpuSI0SAH1mLnkt7UWEM178dtj/POq73U9 NymNow4eTEJLnnK/81ANGRA+6HNDzsP8cWQ/PxujQcVrmw6vaXW1p2uHCOKNj0bWEU y9usU8jl6kHgVhvgcp5a0VUm/MNEhI1GjBtDxGT3MYNIqd+hpRwi3SLZzHQPH3tm9J vX8Myt+BqkGedypd8DTVh1dY1V/cL7SVwMhB0G1S+6IIZ0gV8lmthervaPszAh6Hfb iSpn5Z2Wc6cKw== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 43vxg855b3z6tm8; Wed, 6 Feb 2019 23:57:56 +0100 (CET) In-reply-to: <5C5B6005020000A10002F8AF@gwsmtp1.uni-regensburg.de> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:155199 Archived-At: Ulrich Windl writes: > Hi! > > This is a bug report not so much against GNU Emacs, but against the users who changed Emacs recently. To me it seems some users do not understand the spirit of Emacs when making changes. If you don't like Emacs, use another editor, but do not make Emacs like other editors! > > Two examples: > > 1: Since some versions you cannot autocomplete the buffer you are visiting any more: A typical use-case is that you want to visit the buffer you are editing in another window, like after C-x 4 b. Now you must completely type the buffer name, an absolute mis-feature! > > 2: When long lines are being displayed, mark up and down do not change the position to the next logical line (as defined by the buffer), but to the displayed line (subject to screen and font size). If you are at the beginning of a long line, and you want to move to the next line (maybe to insert something), this "change" is a nightmare. I know it can be customized, but why is the incompatible stupid setting the new default? > > I could also mention half-window vertical scrolling... > > > Regards, > Ulrich Windl Agree or disagree with what you are saying, what was the point of your email? If you have an issue with certain implementations, I think it'd be best that we are explicit in the details of that implementation which we are critiquing. That is the tendency of free software in general, as we are all responsible for how it works.