From: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Bloat in the Emacs Windows package
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 01:12:15 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y346rjqo.fsf@telefonica.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87a7gnypsx.fsf@russet.org.uk
phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) writes:
> To summarise my feelings about the thread so far:
>
> - I think most normal users don't need debug symbols,
I agree.
> so I would be
> minded to remove them (or not put them). I don't know why I have
> added "-g3" to the default options. People who know what to do with
> debug symbols are likely to be able to build Emacs for
> themselves.
Not really. Building Emacs is much harder than installing gdb, execute
emacs under gdb and obtain an stack trace.
Debug symbols are useful, and that is the reason why GNU/Linux
distributions offer them as a separate package.
> - We currently install emacs.exe and emacs-26.2.exe. I think we should
> continue doing this because it is how we do it on other
> platforms.
As explained on a previous post, IMO the reasoning behind that practice
makes little sense for Windows.
> The disk space requirement is small (and will be smaller if we
> remove debug symbols). It probably adds little to the download
> bandwith (because of zip) and will add nothing with the .exe
> installer for Emacs-27. And NTFS compression fixes the problem (and
> more) for those who really care about space (and they are probably
> using it already).
Creating symlinks on Windows (pre-10, IIRC) require administrator
privileges. Ditto for enabling NTFS compression.
About what is small and what isn't: that's a personal opinion. I'm mildly
annoyed about the fact that yesterday's MB are today's GB, without a
proportional increase in functionality. Also, I recently started using
an Android tablet with 32 GB storage and I really appreciate how the
Termux guys manage to produce packages that are significantly smaller
than those on desktop GNU/Linux. There are low-end computers in stores
with 32 GB SSDs. And people use old hardware too.
> I am happy to be corrected here if I am missing some unintended
> consequence, or if you disagree with my justifications.
>
>
> Unanswered questions for me:
>
> - If we remove debug symbols, why not do -O3 which may produce some
> performance benefit?
-O3 does not necessarily mean better performance. My bet is that the
difference will be insignificant for Emacs. I've seen plenty of cases
where -O3 was measurably worse than -O2.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-04-18 23:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-04-17 5:01 Bloat in the Emacs Windows package Björn Lindqvist
2019-04-17 7:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-17 11:15 ` Van L
2019-04-17 11:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-17 12:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-17 14:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-17 16:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-18 22:02 ` Björn Lindqvist
2019-04-19 7:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-17 17:26 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-17 17:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-19 0:02 ` Björn Lindqvist
2019-04-19 7:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-19 13:23 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-22 21:04 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-22 21:41 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-17 13:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-17 16:19 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-17 17:28 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-17 15:07 ` Björn Lindqvist
2019-04-17 16:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-18 23:44 ` Björn Lindqvist
2019-04-19 7:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-19 14:17 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-19 15:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-22 20:55 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-17 17:39 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-17 18:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-17 18:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-18 16:05 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-18 19:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-18 21:19 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-18 23:12 ` Óscar Fuentes [this message]
2019-04-19 6:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-22 20:40 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-23 2:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-23 10:01 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-23 11:28 ` Robert Pluim
2019-04-23 21:49 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-26 16:30 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-26 17:04 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-26 21:41 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-27 18:12 ` Björn Lindqvist
2019-04-27 18:17 ` Phillip Lord
2019-05-03 1:06 ` Björn Lindqvist
2019-05-03 6:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 18:38 ` Björn Lindqvist
2019-05-03 18:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 20:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-23 5:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-17 15:44 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-17 16:25 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-17 16:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-18 16:00 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-18 15:56 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-18 16:39 ` Óscar Fuentes
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