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Tue, 02 Jun 2020 11:41:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 2 Jun 2020 10:10:09 -0700 (PDT)") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:181421 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> We will not require minimum 2 args because that would be backward >> incompatible. I'm quite sure I already said that before. > > Yes, you did, as I indicated: "The only good > case presented was to say that this would be > an incompatible change." > > In expressing my non-inclusion in the purported > "consensus", that's all I did. Thank you for doing so. I think it's important to have a record of whether a decision was reached by consensus or not, and I had wrongly supposed this to be a case of the former. Sorry. > My suggestion is to not only "recommend always > passing 2 or more arguments" but to issue a > warning when that's not the case. And to > deprecate that use (letting users know that at > some point it might no longer be supported). A first step towards that would be to change our existing Lisp code not to use single-argument apply, which we could do in a follow-up patch. > And (IMO) the reason given to users for the > recommendation shouldn't be just because ("as") > "the function works faster in that case". I agree. I'll make another suggestion.