From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Proposal: "C-z " reserved for users Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 17:11:29 +0100 Message-ID: <87y2fxkyq6.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1973673328.2493716.1612740554692@mail.yahoo.com> <87r1lqyiyk.fsf@yandex.com> <87czx94w3b.fsf@mbork.pl> <555c4ea0-dc93-0c84-b25e-395020809941@yandex.ru> <8ed9b4350244e6ebf6f6@heytings.org> <36a33101-64fd-a880-f47e-393d1318517d@yandex.ru> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23082"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:WAPde62Jt6WTarAvIZgw0BV39Pw= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 09 17:12:37 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9Vcz-0005t4-Dj for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 17:12:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37386 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9Vcy-0008Ew-Ez for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 11:12:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49010) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9Vc2-0008E6-Mr for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 11:11:38 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:60922) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9Vc1-0005ub-5t for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 11:11:38 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9Vbz-0004dx-Eu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 17:11:35 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127702 Archived-At: Skip Montanaro wrote: > (Apologies, a bit of a rant. I will shut up after this.) No, no. > Not being a graphic artist, I never had a need to use > Photoshop. I simply don't understand its model of image > editing. The most image editing I ever did was with simple > tools like early versions of MacPaint. While I have no > proof, I suspect a semi-competent Photoshop user could pick > up the basics of GIMP pretty quickly. Every once in a while > I think, "I'll just fire up GIMP for this one little thing." > I stumble around for a while, accomplish nothing and > eventually run screaming out of the room. I then go back > to kolourpaint. Thank you for mentioning MacPaint! 1984 software. I have the exact same GIMP experience BTW, only I didn't know of kolourpaint. So that is the equivalent of MacPaint? It is in the Debian repos ... installing. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal