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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264502 Archived-At: On Fri, Feb 12 2021, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > I find the recent spate of discussions about key bindings for > third-party code rather befuddling. It's been suggested that Magit > should move their bindings to `C-x v', and it's been suggested that > there should be a number of bindings that should be reserved for > third-party packages, and they should share them. The discussion has veered in various directions, some of which irrelevant, but the original question certainly is relevant, I think. Which is whether Emacs should have a policy on 3rd-party packages creating global key bindings. Your stance seems to be that the status quo is good enough, i.e., that it's not necessary to have such a policy. Gregory feels differently, and so do I, though in the opposite direction. In the end, though, it's up to you and the other maintainers, so I'll take your message as a sign to stop arguing this topic. :-) -- Joost Kremers Life has its moments