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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:281301 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > But once we agree to have it compile automatically, it should be clear > that messages related to compilation will be produced, and ignoring > those messages might not necessarily be a good idea. Once this gets the default, the following will happen: regular users that are not programmers will install packages and libraries, and then they will get the popup warning windows. For Elisp developers this is good and useful, but for regular users this will cause confusion and annoy for no gain. That's my concern. Maybe the popup of the window should be opt-in - unless it's due to my config that the window containing the warnings pops up and even raises its frame. Michael.