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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:288360 Archived-At: >>>>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 08:24:23 +0200, Uwe Brauer said: >> Perhaps someone who actually uses macOS can explain this better. Uwe> Which version of MacOS is this? I am using, partially, 10.15 and s= till Uwe> can build my own Emacs. I have not upgraded MacOS to newer version= s, Uwe> since fink still has problems, but if it is true that MacOS follow= s suit Uwe> iOS policy, as RMS suggests, and jails non signed software, I have= a Uwe> reason more *not* to upgrade. Newer versions of macOS will still let you run unsigned software. Depending on how you launch the program, you may have to perform extra steps via the Security preferences panel, but it doesn=CA=BCt stop you. FWIW, I never have this problem because I launch Emacs from the cli, which sidesteps this particular nonsense. (this is for macOS 11.6.5, Big Sur. Later versions may behave differently) Robert --=20